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China feeding Maduro regime
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Byker
2019-05-30 12:18:54 UTC
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From the horse's (dragon's?) mouth: https://tinyurl.com/y3x58rp5

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/05/14/china-sends-humanitarian-aid-shipment-to-venezuelas-maduro/
Byker
2019-05-31 15:10:41 UTC
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How many millions died in the Cultural Revolution? Or do you deny it took
place?
And what about the "Great Leap Forward"?
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45 million died in Mao's Great Leap Forward, Hong Kong historian says in new
book

by Mark O'Neill

At least 45 million people died unnecessary deaths during China's Great Leap
Forward from 1958 to 1962, including 2.5 million tortured or summarily
killed, according to a new book by a Hong Kong scholar.

Mao's Great Famine traces the story of how Mao Zedong's drive for absurd
targets for farm and industrial production and the reluctance of anyone to
challenge him created the conditions for the countryside to be emptied of
grain and millions of farmers left to starve. It is due to be published by
Bloomsbury tomorrow.

The shortages were exacerbated by Mao's insistence on repaying debts to the
Soviet Union and other communist countries - in the form of foodstuffs -
years before he needed to and donating them to Third World countries as
foreign aid.

The author is Frank Dikotter, chair professor of humanities at the
University of Hong Kong and professor of the modern history of China on
leave from the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of
London.

The book estimates a death toll nine million higher than the 36 million
given in Tombstone, the last major work on the subject published in 2008 by
Yang Jisheng, a senior reporter for Xinhua. An English translation is due to
appear this year.

Most of the material comes from 10 provincial archives chosen on the basis
of openness, including those of Gansu , Guangdong, Hebei , Hubei , Hunan ,
Shandong , Sichuan , Yunnan and Zhejiang .

'Provincial archives are not only much richer than the smaller collections
which can be found in counties, cities or even villages, but they also tend
to keep copies of important files that were sent to them from above, namely
Beijing,' he said.

'The death toll stands at a minimum of 45 million excess deaths ...
Coercion, terror and systematic violence were the foundations of the Great
Leap Forward. Thanks to the meticulous reports compiled by the party itself,
we can infer that, between 1958 and 1962, by a rough approximation, six to
eight per cent of the victims were tortured to death or summarily killed,
amounting to at least 2.5 million people.

'Other victims were deliberately deprived of food and starved to death. Many
more vanished because they were too old, weak or sick to work - and hence
unable to earn their keep. People were killed selectively because they were
rich, because they dragged their feet, because they spoke out or simply
because they were not liked, for whatever reason, by the man who wielded the
ladle in the canteen.'

He estimated that at least three million died of starvation and disease in
gulags - labor and re-education camps set up by local governments - out of
the eight to nine million detained in such camps during the Great Leap
Forward. Between one and three million committed suicide.

The book traces how the roots of the catastrophe were the ambition,
conceived by Mao in the summer of 1957, to overtake Britain in output of
iron, steel and other industrial products within 15 years. When his
economists tried to tell him that this was impossible and that they needed
to balance the budget, he shouted them down and humiliated them.

Huang Jing, chairman of a commission on technological development, jumped
out of a window at a military hospital in Guangzhou and died of his injuries
in November 1958, aged 47.

This climate of terror reached its peak at the Lushan Conference in July
1959 when defense minister Peng Dehuai challenged Mao. In Xiangtan , Hunan
province, his and Mao's hometown, Peng had seen children in rags and old
people crouching on bamboo mats in the freezing winter. He had also received
letters about widespread starvation. In a letter to the 150 participants at
the conference, Peng attacked considerable waste of natural resources and
manpower, inflated production claims and leftism.

Mao was enraged. Peng was dismissed and put under house arrest. During the
Cultural Revolution, Red Guards beat him more than 100 times, crushing his
internal organs and splintering his back. He died of cancer in 1974. When
officials saw the fate of one of China's most distinguished generals, no one
dared to challenge Mao.

By the end of April 1958, the famine had begun. 'In Guangxi , one person in
six was without food or money and villagers died of hunger in parts of the
province. In Shandong, some 670,000 were starving, while 1.3 million were
destitute in Anhui . In Hunan, one in every ten farmers was out of grain for
more than a month. Even in subtropical Guangdong, close to a million people
were hungry, the situation being particularly bad in Huiyang and Zhanjiang ,
where children were sold by starving villagers. In Hebei, grain shortages
were such that tens of thousands roamed the countryside in search of food
... from the devastated villages; 14,000 beggars made it to Tianjin , where
they were put up in temporary shelters. In Gansu, many villagers were
reduced to eating tree bark; hundreds died of hunger.'

As the famine took hold, people did unspeakable things to each other, even
their own relatives. 'In Nanjing , about two cases of murder inside the
family were reported every month in the middle of the famine ... In the
majority of cases, the reason behind the murder was that the victims had
become a burden. In Liuhe, a paralyzed girl was thrown into a pond by her
parents. In Jiangpu, a dumb and probably retarded child aged eight stole
repeatedly from both parents and neighbors, putting the family at risk; he
was strangled in the night ... Wang Jiuchang regularly ate the ration
allocated to his eight-year-old daughter. He also took her cotton jacket and
trousers in the middle of the winter. In the end, she succumbed to hunger
and cold.'

The campaign not only killed millions of people but also devastated the
animal population. In Hunan, the number of pigs fell from 12.7 million in
1958 to 7.95 million in 1959, 4.4 million in 1960 and 3.4 million in 1961.
Pigs, poultry and cattle died of hunger, cold, disease and neglect after the
establishment of people's communes, one of the main instruments of the
campaign.

In Dongguan, the death rate for pigs rose from nine per cent in 1956 to 25
per cent in 1959 and more than 50 per cent in 1960. 'It was left with a
million pigs where more than 4.2 million had existed a few years earlier. In
Zhejiang, the death rate in some counties was 600 per cent, meaning that,
for every birth, six pigs died. In all of Henan, the situation with
livestock was better in 1940, in the middle of the war against Japan, than
in 1961.'

Buildings were also targeted. 'The [campaign] constitutes, by far, the
greatest demolition of property in human history. As a rough approximation,
between 30 and 40 per cent of all houses were turned into rubble.' They were
torn down to provide nutrients for soil, for fuel, to steal the materials or
for redevelopment projects.

'According to comrades from the provincial party committee, 40 per cent of
all houses in Hunan have been destroyed,' Liu Shaoqi , then head of state,
wrote to Mao on May 11, 1959. 'Besides this, there is also a portion that
has been appropriated by state organs, enterprises, communes and brigades.'

The number of people per room in Hunan doubled during the campaign. In
Sichuan, people had to live in toilets or under the eaves of somebody else's
house.

Even the dead were evicted, with graves destroyed to make farmland. In
Mouping, Shandong, local cadres used corpses to fertilize the land. In
Fengxian county, Hunan, a party member saw coffins disinterred and left
strewn about the field in front of his house. The local deputy secretary was
burning the corpses in four large cauldrons in his house, to make fertilizer
to be thrown on the fields.

An enormous area of forest was also lost, due to felling for fuel, to clear
land for grain, to produce fertilizer and due to a collapse in effective
forestry management. Up to 70 per cent of the shelter forest was destroyed
in some counties in Liaoning , 80 per cent in east Henan. In Kaifeng it
disappeared altogether and 27,000 hectares were given up to the desert.

https://www.scmp.com/article/723956/revisiting-calamitous-time
Shadow
2019-06-01 01:57:56 UTC
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Post by Byker
How many millions died in the Cultural Revolution? Or do you deny it took
place?
And what about the "Great Leap Forward"?
Boring. (yawns)
Lets talk about Iraq.
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Byker
2019-06-01 08:29:10 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Lets talk about Iraq.
Yeah, let's:
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Shadow
2019-06-07 02:11:19 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Shadow
Lets talk about Iraq.
https://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/113/1136361/2578880-nuke%20it.jpg
That solves the problem of a country that tolerated all
religions, where women could study at University, those stupid towels
on their heads and curtains wrapped around their bodies were not
mandatory, and people were generally happy how ?
Because that's what it was like before the three towers false
flag made it a target.
Well, at least they can immigrate to Amerika now. They won't
be as free as they were, but as free as most Amerikans is good enough
for people with low standards.
The only positive "feature" I can see in your "plan" is that
the radioactive petroleum would poison you, since Amerika is one of
the biggest importers. So that's a plus.
A "biker" keeps his petrol tank between his legs, right?
Excellent position.
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not, what did YOU put between your legs to earn that nick??
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Byker
2019-05-31 16:39:25 UTC
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white slave masters killed Black s
Blacks Blacks
But only if they were unproductive:

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Shadow
2019-06-01 01:56:30 UTC
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On Thu, 30 May 2019 07:18:54 -0500, "Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:

Good. Someone has to send food. The US only sends guns and
fake medicine.
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