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Why are Palestinians living in Apartheid.... It is that they are not Jewish
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Mirelle
2006-12-06 19:45:10 UTC
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Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.

Right now, one state power is sovereign in Palestine and that state is
Israel.
It is an apartheid state because it excludes the territory's indigenous

people from citizenship solely on the basis of ethnicity. For let us
remember: The Palestinians' original sin - the "failing" has consigned
them collectively to expulsion, dispossession, exile, and a cruel and
humiliating occupation - is not bad leadership, missed opportunities,
stubborn insistence on their demands, Arafat, or any of the usual
shibboleths. It is that they are not Jewish.

What do we get from recognizing this fact? We may take clues from
public indications that Ariel Sharon before his stroke and Mr. Olmert
after him have been terribly anxious that we not do so. For what can
Israel do if it is truly held accountable for denying its territorial
population the right to vote? How can it exclude its native people from

equal citizenship if they ask for it? The common defence, the need to
preserve Jewish statehood, will instantly ring hollow. For Israel
styles itself a western-style democracy. Yet no western democracy is
presently attacking its own territory's population with mortar barrages

and helicopter gunships solely because of their ethnic identity. No
western democracy is blasting whole families to bits with mortars
solely because their ethnicity is unwelcome. No western democracy is
now encircling millions of people within walled cantons solely on the
basis of their religion or ethnicity.

Like "White Australia" and apartheid South Africa before it, Israel is
attempting to be racial state and a democratic state at the same time.
No western democracy has survived the obvious contradictions of this
formula: they all had to give it up. And apartheid Israel will not
survive it if we call the shots as they are. Like the US, South Africa,

New Zealand, and "White Australia" before it, Israel must admit its
Muslim and Christian population as citizens and then grapple with the
ensuing tough work of pluralist democracy like the rest of us.

http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12052006.html

Mirelle
Mich
2006-12-06 20:16:48 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Your fellow zealots are pretty committed to the mass extermination of
indigenous blacks in Sudan (at least 200,000!!!). But you have actually
argued that the murderers are just miss-understood ...
Mirelle
2006-12-06 21:46:05 UTC
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From: WJ20K - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 12:02 pm

Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states knows
full well that he or she is living on land that does NOT belong to
them. Deuteronomy 6:10-12 clearly states this. But of course the
ultra nationalist Jewish idiots on this NG keeps complaining about
Palestinians living on land that does not belong to them with Judaism
itself clearly states in Deuteronomy 6:10-12 :
"When the lord your God brings you into the land he swore to your
fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you-a land with large,
flourishing cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds
of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and
vineyards and olive groves you did not plant-then when you eat and
are satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the lord, who
brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

Key words "you did not build", "you did not provide", "you did not
dig", "you did not plant" Basically all stolen.

How convenient for the Jews of that time and the Jewish bigots and
hypocrites of today to claim that some god of theirs gave this all to
them for free and getting all upset when others take issue with this.
[WJ20K]

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Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Right now, one state power is sovereign in Palestine and that state is
Israel.
It is an apartheid state because it excludes the territory's indigenous
people from citizenship solely on the basis of ethnicity. For let us
remember: The Palestinians' original sin - the "failing" has consigned
them collectively to expulsion, dispossession, exile, and a cruel and
humiliating occupation - is not bad leadership, missed opportunities,
stubborn insistence on their demands, Arafat, or any of the usual
shibboleths. It is that they are not Jewish.
What do we get from recognizing this fact? We may take clues from
public indications that Ariel Sharon before his stroke and Mr. Olmert
after him have been terribly anxious that we not do so. For what can
Israel do if it is truly held accountable for denying its territorial
population the right to vote? How can it exclude its native people from
equal citizenship if they ask for it? The common defence, the need to
preserve Jewish statehood, will instantly ring hollow. For Israel
styles itself a western-style democracy. Yet no western democracy is
presently attacking its own territory's population with mortar barrages
and helicopter gunships solely because of their ethnic identity. No
western democracy is blasting whole families to bits with mortars
solely because their ethnicity is unwelcome. No western democracy is
now encircling millions of people within walled cantons solely on the
basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Like "White Australia" and apartheid South Africa before it, Israel is
attempting to be racial state and a democratic state at the same time.
No western democracy has survived the obvious contradictions of this
formula: they all had to give it up. And apartheid Israel will not
survive it if we call the shots as they are. Like the US, South Africa,
New Zealand, and "White Australia" before it, Israel must admit its
Muslim and Christian population as citizens and then grapple with the
ensuing tough work of pluralist democracy like the rest of us.
http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12052006.html
Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Your fellow zealots are pretty committed to the mass extermination of
indigenous blacks in Sudan (at least 200,000!!!). But you have actually
argued that the murderers are just miss-understood ...
Mich
2006-12-06 21:52:54 UTC
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From: WJ20K - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 12:02 pm
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by the
Muslim government?
Mirelle
2006-12-06 22:00:27 UTC
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Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by the
Muslim government?
You mean the Tribal Wars started by the U$A and ZioNAZIS.
I would imagine Yahweh despises the zioNAZIS FOR PILFERING DIAMONDS AND
OIL THERE
CREATING TRIBAL WARS AS A SUBTERFUGE TO DO IT !

Mirelle
Mich
2006-12-06 22:35:10 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by the
Muslim government?
You mean the Tribal Wars started by the U$A and ZioNAZIS.
I would imagine Yahweh despises the zioNAZIS FOR PILFERING DIAMONDS AND
OIL THERE
CREATING TRIBAL WARS AS A SUBTERFUGE TO DO IT !
Mirelle
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Mirelle
2006-12-06 22:54:47 UTC
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Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure

First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.

Destruction

The long-term impact of the destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure
on the lives of the country's men, women and children is
incalculable. Many have lost their homes while having to cope with the
deaths of loved ones or struggling to overcome severe injuries. Many
more have lost their livelihoods. Records showing home and property
ownership have been destroyed, adding to the difficulties of rebuilding
lives.

The head of the country's Council for Development and Reconstruction,
Fadl Shalak, said on 16 August that the damage incurred amounted to US
$3.5 billion: US $2 billion for buildings and US $1.5 billion for
infrastructure such as bridges, roads and power plants.

Press Release: Israel/Lebanon: Evidence indicates deliberate
destruction of civilian infrastructure

Report: Deliberate destruction or 'collateral damage'? Israeli attacks
against civilian infrastructure

Civilian victims

Entire families were killed in air strikes on their homes or in their
vehicles while fleeing the aerial assaults on their villages. Scores
lay buried beneath the rubble of their houses for weeks, as the Red
Cross and other rescue workers were prevented from accessing the areas
by continuing Israeli strikes. The hundreds of thousands of Lebanese
who fled the bombardment now face the danger of unexploded munitions as
they head home.

The Israeli Air Force launched more than 7,000 air attacks on about
7,000 targets in Lebanon between 12 July and 14 August, while the Navy
conducted an additional 2,500 bombardments. The attacks, though
widespread, particularly concentrated on certain areas. An estimated
1,183 people died, about one third of whom have been children, 4,054
people were injured and 970,000 Lebanese people have been displaced.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/lbn-230806-feature-eng

Mirelle
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by the
Muslim government?
You mean the Tribal Wars started by the U$A and ZioNAZIS.
I would imagine Yahweh despises the zioNAZIS FOR PILFERING DIAMONDS AND
OIL THERE
CREATING TRIBAL WARS AS A SUBTERFUGE TO DO IT !
Mirelle
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Mich
2006-12-06 23:41:40 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure
First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.
And your terrorist buddies are shelling Israeli civilians. But you are to
emotionally immature to deal with that or the Muslim Sudanese organized
massacre of blacks. In fact, you are so emotionally immature that you
recently posted a link to something that was supposed to back up your
infantile ranting about Jews being responsible for the murder of Sudan's
black. I followed the link and it mentioned the Chinese and Russian
government and some private organizations.


You are a proven liar and an imbecile, and every time you post you keep
damaging your own "cause".
Mirelle
2006-12-07 00:39:26 UTC
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Esta publicación puede ser inapropiada. Haga clic para mostrarlo.
Gary Renzetti
2006-12-07 03:10:14 UTC
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Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure
First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.
And your terrorist buddies are shelling Israeli civilians. But you are to
emotionally immature to deal with that or the Muslim Sudanese organized
massacre of blacks. In fact, you are so emotionally immature that you
recently posted a link to something that was supposed to back up your
infantile ranting about Jews being responsible for the murder of Sudan's
black. I followed the link and it mentioned the Chinese and Russian
government and some private organizations.
Lemme get this straight...

What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?

Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
<hack >
Mirelle
2006-12-07 06:03:04 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure
First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.
And your terrorist buddies are shelling Israeli civilians. But you are to
emotionally immature to deal with that or the Muslim Sudanese organized
massacre of blacks. In fact, you are so emotionally immature that you
recently posted a link to something that was supposed to back up your
infantile ranting about Jews being responsible for the murder of Sudan's
black. I followed the link and it mentioned the Chinese and Russian
government and some private organizations.
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Lemme get this straight...
What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?
Bizarre Eh !
Post by Gary Renzetti
Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
More appropriate .

Mirelle
Post by Gary Renzetti
<hack >
Mich
2006-12-07 07:16:12 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure
First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.
And your terrorist buddies are shelling Israeli civilians. But you are to
emotionally immature to deal with that or the Muslim Sudanese organized
massacre of blacks. In fact, you are so emotionally immature that you
recently posted a link to something that was supposed to back up your
infantile ranting about Jews being responsible for the murder of Sudan's
black. I followed the link and it mentioned the Chinese and Russian
government and some private organizations.
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Lemme get this straight...
What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?
Bizarre Eh !
Post by Gary Renzetti
Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
More appropriate .
Mirelle
Mirelle, as long as you keep polluting soc.culture.canada with your OT
racism I will continue to respond. If you don't like OT ... DON'T START ANY
Mirelle
2006-12-07 08:19:29 UTC
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Post by Mich
Mirelle, as long as you keep polluting soc.culture.canada with your OT
racism I will continue to respond. If you don't like OT ... DON'T START ANY
It is you that is the polluter Mich.
With your Racist support of the Slaughter in Gaza !

Mirelle
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Post by Mich
I will let your words speak for themselves.
Lebanon: Destruction of civilian infrastructure
First-hand information gathered by recent Amnesty International
research missions to Lebanon and Israel points to an Israeli policy of
deliberate destruction of Lebanese civilian infrastructure during the
recent conflict.
And your terrorist buddies are shelling Israeli civilians. But you are to
emotionally immature to deal with that or the Muslim Sudanese organized
massacre of blacks. In fact, you are so emotionally immature that you
recently posted a link to something that was supposed to back up your
infantile ranting about Jews being responsible for the murder of Sudan's
black. I followed the link and it mentioned the Chinese and Russian
government and some private organizations.
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Lemme get this straight...
What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?
Bizarre Eh !
Post by Gary Renzetti
Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
More appropriate .
Mirelle
Mirelle, as long as you keep polluting soc.culture.canada with your OT
racism I will continue to respond. If you don't like OT ... DON'T START ANY
Gary Renzetti
2006-12-07 03:08:19 UTC
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Post by Mich
From: WJ20K - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 12:02 pm
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by
the Muslim government?
Lemme get this straight...

What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?

Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
Mirelle
2006-12-07 06:05:58 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
From: WJ20K - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec 6 2006 12:02 pm
Add to that that any Jew who believes in what the Torah states
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
And what would the Torah say about the mass-murder of Sudanese blacks by
the Muslim government?
Lemme get this straight...
What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?
Bizarre Eh !
Post by Gary Renzetti
Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
More appropriate.

Mirelle
Gary Renzetti
2006-12-07 03:06:34 UTC
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Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Your fellow zealots are pretty committed to the mass extermination of
indigenous blacks in Sudan (at least 200,000!!!). But you have actually
argued that the murderers are just miss-understood ...
Lemme get this straight...

What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?

Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
Mirelle
2006-12-07 06:09:29 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
<snip>
Post by Gary Renzetti
Post by Mich
Your fellow zealots are pretty committed to the mass extermination of
indigenous blacks in Sudan (at least 200,000!!!). But you have actually
argued that the murderers are just miss-understood ...
Lemme get this straight...
What is happening in Darfur is an abomination and should be stopped. Are you
somehow saying that justifies the zionists doing ethnic cleansing and
brutalizing the Palestinians?
Bizarre Eh !
Post by Gary Renzetti
Perhaps you should kvetch on soc.culture.sudan, yes?
More appropriate !

Mirelle
Ian MacLure
2006-12-07 04:25:40 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Right now, one state power is sovereign in Palestine and that state is
Israel.
It is an apartheid state because it excludes the territory's indigenous
people from citizenship solely on the basis of ethnicity. For let us
Those Paleosimians who didn't beat feet to get out of the way
of Arab invading armies in 1947 are full citizens of Israel.
Those who chose to side with the would be perpetrators of
genocide at that time now have to live with their decision.

IBM
Gary Renzetti
2006-12-07 19:20:22 UTC
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Post by Ian MacLure
Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Right now, one state power is sovereign in Palestine and that state is
Israel.
It is an apartheid state because it excludes the territory's indigenous
people from citizenship solely on the basis of ethnicity. For let us
Those Paleosimians who didn't beat feet to get out of the way
of Arab invading armies in 1947 are full citizens of Israel.
Those who chose to side with the would be perpetrators of
genocide at that time now have to live with their decision.
IBM
Not so. They are full SECOND CLASS citizens of Ersatz "isr-el®".
Ian MacLure
2006-12-08 05:25:50 UTC
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"Gary Renzetti" <***@connection.com> wrote in news:9a492$4578696e$d1b71684$***@PRIMUS.CA:

[snip]
Post by Gary Renzetti
Not so. They are full SECOND CLASS citizens of Ersatz "isr-el®".
In what way are they second class citizens?
They actually have privileges Jewish citizens don't.
They do not for instance have to serve in the military.
They can be elected to Parliament and judging from some of
the remarks I've seen attributed to Arab Knesset members,
were they Jews merely living in Arab countires and making
analogous remarks they'd be ripped to shreds by a peaceful
and tolerant mob in a nanosecond.

But none of this matters to a Fugginazi does it?

IBM

sam7i5erotdkhgcx
2006-12-07 19:15:29 UTC
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http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/2006/12/iraq-study-group-report-us-should-get.html

http://www.novus-ordo-seclorum.us/
Post by Mirelle
Just as apartheid did in southern Africa, Israel's fearful and
zealous commitment to racial exclusion of the indigenous people is
tearing the entire region apart.
Right now, one state power is sovereign in Palestine and that state is
Israel.
It is an apartheid state because it excludes the territory's indigenous
people from citizenship solely on the basis of ethnicity. For let us
remember: The Palestinians' original sin - the "failing" has consigned
them collectively to expulsion, dispossession, exile, and a cruel and
humiliating occupation - is not bad leadership, missed opportunities,
stubborn insistence on their demands, Arafat, or any of the usual
shibboleths. It is that they are not Jewish.
What do we get from recognizing this fact? We may take clues from
public indications that Ariel Sharon before his stroke and Mr. Olmert
after him have been terribly anxious that we not do so. For what can
Israel do if it is truly held accountable for denying its territorial
population the right to vote? How can it exclude its native people from
equal citizenship if they ask for it? The common defence, the need to
preserve Jewish statehood, will instantly ring hollow. For Israel
styles itself a western-style democracy. Yet no western democracy is
presently attacking its own territory's population with mortar barrages
and helicopter gunships solely because of their ethnic identity. No
western democracy is blasting whole families to bits with mortars
solely because their ethnicity is unwelcome. No western democracy is
now encircling millions of people within walled cantons solely on the
basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Like "White Australia" and apartheid South Africa before it, Israel is
attempting to be racial state and a democratic state at the same time.
No western democracy has survived the obvious contradictions of this
formula: they all had to give it up. And apartheid Israel will not
survive it if we call the shots as they are. Like the US, South Africa,
New Zealand, and "White Australia" before it, Israel must admit its
Muslim and Christian population as citizens and then grapple with the
ensuing tough work of pluralist democracy like the rest of us.
http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12052006.html
Mirelle
sam7i5erotdkhgcx
2006-12-07 19:16:00 UTC
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http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/2006/12/iraq-study-group-report-us-should-get.html

http://www.novus-ordo-seclorum.us/
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