Discussion:
Alternatives To Columbus Day
(demasiado antiguo para responder)
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-10-13 20:37:37 UTC
Permalink
ALTERNATIVES TO CELEBRATING COLUMBUS DAY:

OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).

If you know of any others, please add to this list.

- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2

Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

Forthcoming:
Dark Thunder (Book: Poetry)
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental)
Nova Psychedelia (CD: Remixes)
Dancing Through The Side Worlds (4-CD: Vocal)
The Poetry Of Lists (Book: Nonfiction)

- - - -
"A shattering realization is brought home: The German Holocaust
was not unique in history. There is a holocaust in our American
past. We owe it to its victims, and to our own future, to reflect
on this."
- - Hans Koning
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-13 20:52:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).
All of the above dates are also known as BULLSHIT DAY..







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-13 21:03:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).
All of the above dates are also known as BULLSHIT DAY..
In recognition of whom? Bovine proctologists?

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-13 21:13:43 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:03:38 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
In recognition of whom? Bovine proctologists?
AKA History Revisionists







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Terry Heinze
2003-10-14 02:08:58 UTC
Permalink
If history had been written accurately in the 1st place, it wouldn't NEED
rewriting.
--
....Terry
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:03:38 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
In recognition of whom? Bovine proctologists?
AKA History Revisionists
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 02:28:01 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:08:58 GMT, "Terry Heinze"
Post by Terry Heinze
If history had been written accurately in the 1st place, it wouldn't NEED
rewriting.
And you define an epimedilogic event as genocide? That is just plain
bulldhit







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Jack Strong
2003-10-14 02:36:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:08:58 GMT, "Terry Heinze"
Post by Terry Heinze
If history had been written accurately in the 1st place, it wouldn't NEED
rewriting.
And you define an epimedilogic event as genocide? That is just plain
bulldhit
The nerve of people thinking that those soldiers charging into camps
and killing women and children had genocide on their minds when in
reality it was just a "epimediologic event".
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 03:03:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:06 -0700, Jack Strong
Post by Jack Strong
The nerve of people thinking that those soldiers charging into camps
and killing women and children had genocide on their minds when in
reality it was just a "epimediologic event".
Soldiers charging? We the hell are you talking about?







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-14 03:32:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:06 -0700, Jack Strong
Post by Jack Strong
The nerve of people thinking that those soldiers charging into camps
and killing women and children had genocide on their minds when in
reality it was just a "epimediologic event".
Soldiers charging? We the hell are you talking about?
Have you ever studied American History????

Do you, by any chance, know how many people the crews of
Columbus himself killed? Never mind the other Spanish and then
later English and so on. Do you know how many people died at
the specific command of Christopher Columbus?

Do you realize the low estimates are in the hundreds of
thousands. The high estimates are in the *millions*.
Even if you are charitable and look the other way, it
probably runs over 1 million people.

That includes hundreds of thousands of women and children.

Some "epimediologic event".
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 09:59:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:06 -0700, Jack Strong
Post by Jack Strong
The nerve of people thinking that those soldiers charging into camps
and killing women and children had genocide on their minds when in
reality it was just a "epimediologic event".
Soldiers charging? We the hell are you talking about?
Have you ever studied American History????
So far, I think a tad more than you ever did propaganda.
Post by Floyd Davidson
Do you, by any chance, know how many people the crews of
Columbus himself killed? Never mind the other Spanish and then
later English and so on. Do you know how many people died at
the specific command of Christopher Columbus?
Do you realize the low estimates are in the hundreds of
thousands. The high estimates are in the *millions*.
Even if you are charitable and look the other way, it
probably runs over 1 million people.
That includes hundreds of thousands of women and children.
Some "epimediologic event".
Listen buddy, I know you seem to think all of the above is true, but
it is not. There were never "charges" into camps to kill millions of
women and children for the simple reason that it did not made sense
economically. There was a need for labor and the indians were a cheap
source. Fields needed to be planted, cattle raised and gold and silver
needed to be mined.

Now, if you were to study REAL history, you'd find that the biggest
indian killer was smallpox and the flu who ravaged tribes all over
since the indians lacked the natural antibodies to fight them off. And
that dear fella is the epidemiologic event I was talking about.

So, I know it looks good for the propaganda efforts to have invading
troops blasting away at women and children (always women and children
though, never men... I wonder where were they) but the sad truth is
that those type of events were the exception, not the rule.









"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-14 11:15:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
Have you ever studied American History????
So far, I think a tad more than you ever did propaganda.
You must have slept through it. Or maybe you didn't get
past the 5th grade?
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
Do you, by any chance, know how many people the crews of
Columbus himself killed? Never mind the other Spanish and then
later English and so on. Do you know how many people died at
the specific command of Christopher Columbus?
Do you realize the low estimates are in the hundreds of
thousands. The high estimates are in the *millions*.
Even if you are charitable and look the other way, it
probably runs over 1 million people.
That includes hundreds of thousands of women and children.
Some "epimediologic event".
Listen buddy, I know you seem to think all of the above is true, but
it is not. There were never "charges" into camps to kill millions of
women and children for the simple reason that it did not made sense
economically. There was a need for labor and the indians were a cheap
source. Fields needed to be planted, cattle raised and gold and silver
needed to be mined.
Do a web search on "Bartolome de las Casas", a contemporary of
Columbus who recorded the treatment of Native people by the Spanish.
His story does not match yours... He says Columbus' men killed
men, women and children, using swords, using guns, burning them
alive, an even raised large attack dogs trained to kill Indians.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Now, if you were to study REAL history, you'd find that the biggest
indian killer was smallpox and the flu who ravaged tribes all over
since the indians lacked the natural antibodies to fight them off. And
that dear fella is the epidemiologic event I was talking about.
Eventually, yes disease killed more people than Columbus did.
But even then you don't seem to understand the significance.
The filthy living conditions in Europe are what caused these
diseases, and beginning in the 14th century as much of 1/3rd of
the European population died from epidemics. That is the reason
why diseases in 1500 did not kill Europeans but did kill off
native Americans. I'm not sure we should call that "natural
immunity".

And the Europeans were *well* aware that they were causing
epidemics in America just the way it had happened in Europe too.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
So, I know it looks good for the propaganda efforts to have invading
troops blasting away at women and children (always women and children
though, never men... I wonder where were they) but the sad truth is
that those type of events were the exception, not the rule.
They were very much the rule for Christopher Columbus. It was
well documented at the time. In fact, when reported to the King
of Spain he even called a halt to expansion in the Americas to
determine if it was moral to treat humans as they were doing.
Columbus at one point was arrested and hauled back to Spain for
trial because of the mass murders.

See "Bartolome de las Casas: A Short Account of the Destruction
of the Indies", translated by Nigel Griffin, which is a 1992
translation of "Brevissima relacion de las destruccion de las
Indias" in which Las Casas *detailed* the genocide being
perpetuated by Spain. (There were at least 1 million people on
Hispaniloa when Columbus arrived, and twentyfive years later
there were 12,000 of them left. Those million people did not
die of diseases.)

Here is how a man who *saw it happen* described it:

And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes
began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against
them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children
nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not
only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to
pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They
laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could
split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his
entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants
from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and
pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by
the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with
laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, "Boil
there, you offspring of the devil!" Other infants they put to
the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who
happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on
which the hanged victim's feet almost touched the ground,
stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of
Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood
at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they
attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set
them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to
capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round
the victim's neck, saying, "Go now, carry the message,"
meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the
mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles
in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they
placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid
and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by
little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment,
their souls would leave them....

http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/casas.html


Now tell me again what you know of history you fucking idiot.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 12:38:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Do a web search on "Bartolome de las Casas", a contemporary of
Columbus who recorded the treatment of Native people by the Spanish.
His story does not match yours... He says Columbus' men killed
men, women and children, using swords, using guns, burning them
alive, an even raised large attack dogs trained to kill Indians.
I did read in the original and, like I said, they happened but those
were not the norm.
Post by Floyd Davidson
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Now, if you were to study REAL history, you'd find that the biggest
indian killer was smallpox and the flu who ravaged tribes all over
since the indians lacked the natural antibodies to fight them off. And
that dear fella is the epidemiologic event I was talking about.
Eventually, yes disease killed more people than Columbus did.
But even then you don't seem to understand the significance.
The filthy living conditions in Europe are what caused these
diseases, and beginning in the 14th century as much of 1/3rd of
the European population died from epidemics. That is the reason
why diseases in 1500 did not kill Europeans but did kill off
native Americans. I'm not sure we should call that "natural
immunity".
So, disease did call more indians to the hereafter than the spaniards
after all?
Post by Floyd Davidson
And the Europeans were *well* aware that they were causing
epidemics in America just the way it had happened in Europe too.
Oh so they got sick on purpose just to pass it along to the indians?
"Hey Jose and Pablo. You 2 go get infected with smallpox and die a
horrible death so we can massacre them injun villages over there!"

Do you know how stupid your statement is?

Man... logic out of the window for these peope. I guess the next thing
they will come with is that the CIA had a hand in it.

One thread for the filters







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-14 21:47:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
Do a web search on "Bartolome de las Casas", a contemporary of
Columbus who recorded the treatment of Native people by the Spanish.
His story does not match yours... He says Columbus' men killed
men, women and children, using swords, using guns, burning them
alive, an even raised large attack dogs trained to kill Indians.
I did read in the original and, like I said, they happened but those
were not the norm.
You denied that Columbus' men kill women and children along with
men, by the hundreds of thousands.

But that is *exactly* what las Casas recorded happening. Columbus
made multiple voyages, and that is what he did in America -- he
killed people by the hundreds of thousands.

It was exactly the "norm".
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
So, disease did call more indians to the hereafter than the spaniards
after all?
In 500 years, yes more died from the diseases than were killed
by Columbus in 25 years. Do you get the picture?
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
And the Europeans were *well* aware that they were causing
epidemics in America just the way it had happened in Europe too.
Oh so they got sick on purpose just to pass it along to the indians?
"Hey Jose and Pablo. You 2 go get infected with smallpox and die a
horrible death so we can massacre them injun villages over there!"
Yes, they did that. They did it right from the start too. Go
read about the tactics of De Soto, who didn't dare stay in an
area long, and didn't dare return to many areas he traveled
through because he knew the survivors would go after him.

Go read how the Pilgrims were so happy that European diseases
were killing Indians to leave land for them.

Go read... not 500, or 400, or 300 years ago, but in the 1900's
how here in Alaska things like diptheria caused herioc efforts
to save the white people of Nome, while entire Native villages
died and nobody lifted a finger to help.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Do you know how stupid your statement is?
Oh that sounds stupid to an idiot all right. But then again I
lived in a place called "Salcha" for nearly 20 years, and lived
literally across the road from the last surviving person who was
born in the Indian village known as Salcha. Nearly her entire
tribe was wiped out by flu, and nobody helped.


It's about time you actually learned a few facts and understood
actual history, twit.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 23:11:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
But that is *exactly* what las Casas recorded happening. Columbus
made multiple voyages, and that is what he did in America -- he
killed people by the hundreds of thousands.
Ok, now we are getting better... not 100 million, not 50 million, not
8 million or even 2 million but hundreds of thousands. A couple of
more days and I guess you'll come down to a rational number.









"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-14 23:58:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
But that is *exactly* what las Casas recorded happening. Columbus
made multiple voyages, and that is what he did in America -- he
killed people by the hundreds of thousands.
Ok, now we are getting better... not 100 million, not 50 million, not
8 million or even 2 million but hundreds of thousands. A couple of
more days and I guess you'll come down to a rational number.
By the thousands, and it added up to *millions*.

Probably far more than any measly 2 million. I don't remember what
las Casas estimated it at, but I think it was 12 million people.

All killed by the order of just *one* blood thirsty Spaniard whose
greed for gold made him worse than any jungle animal.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-15 01:28:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
All killed by the order of just *one* blood thirsty Spaniard whose
greed for gold made him worse than any jungle animal.
Ya, duraste mucho.... 58!!!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
The King Alan Brito Oxidao
2003-10-15 01:53:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
By the thousands, and it added up to *millions*.
Thank God!
I can't visualize the children of the children's children of all of those
guacamole
eating corn sucking indian people running around Parque del Este, trying to
catch a fish out of a pond or making the imposible, to kill an alligator to
feed the
tribe. Can you picture the hills of Caracas fill with the ancestors of
Guaicaipuro?
Post by Floyd Davidson
Probably far more than any measly 2 million. I don't remember what
las Casas estimated it at, but I think it was 12 million people.
Jesus fucking Christ! Imagine for a second, what would Venezuela be today if
it wasn't for Colón. Total overpopulation! We would be something like Lagos,
in Nigeria. Ufffff!
We would be crawling over their chozas to get to work everyday.
In fact, I believe we desesperatelly need another Colón today, to help us
clean our country of all colombian shit that is currently living in our
beloved cities.
Post by Floyd Davidson
All killed by the order of just *one* blood thirsty Spaniard whose
greed for gold made him worse than any jungle animal.
CORRECTION! Nothing like the Tasmanian Devil we grew up watching in Looney
Tunes.
That was a wild animal! But then again, there are Britney Spears and the
whore of Aguilera too.
--
The King,
Alan Brito Oxidao.

Si todos los venezolanos habláramos como Chávez el oficialismo
no tendría oposición y los cubanos tendrían el mas ambicioso
proyecto de -aglrfavetisazión- en Sur America.
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-14 03:48:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:36:06 -0700, Jack Strong
Post by Jack Strong
The nerve of people thinking that those soldiers charging into camps
and killing women and children had genocide on their minds when in
reality it was just a "epimediologic event".
Soldiers charging? We the hell are you talking about?
Pick a spot - between Tierra del Fuego and the Bering Straight. It will
be there.

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
tqb
2003-10-14 09:07:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:08:58 GMT, "Terry Heinze"
Post by Terry Heinze
If history had been written accurately in the 1st place, it wouldn't NEED
rewriting.
And you define an epimedilogic event as genocide? That is just plain
bulldhit
Lemme help ya, l'il Johnny...
It's EPIDEMIOLOGICAL event, see ? Ya need that "al" on th' end ta make
it an ADJECTIVE ta modify "event"...
"bulldhit"???? There's an operation ta fix that , Johnny, then ya can
talk more plainly... I'll perform th' surgery m'self, fer a very
nominal fee. OR, mebbe that's jest how supremacist folks talk????
Reckon it's th' incest that causes that?
What does yer uncle-daddy-grandpa tell ya an epidemic iz, Johnny? Or
does he know that big of a word?
Yer doin' REEEEAAAAL good so far, l'il Johnny! You hang in there &
have a good time! Ummm...you don't mind if folks make crass remarks
yer way, do ya? Or howz about references to yer parentage & such? I
didn't think you would mind one bit! I mean, if ya sling it ya know to
duck, dontcha? Injun folk are soooo uncivilized, eh, L'il Johnny?

Awww, hang on! You ain't L'il Johnny, are ya? Yer "Beelzebub"!!! From
hell, right? HAR HAR HAR!!! babee boy, you wouldn't know hell if it
bit ya on yer smelly white azz!

Don't let me distract ya from yer makin' a HUGE idjit outta yerself,
kid! Go right ahead on! Did you ever consider comedy as a profession,
kid?

But first, tell us... iz there more'n TWO names in yer family
cemetery? I don't personally give a rip, jest curious... about that
much, nawww, less than that... har har har!

Enuff chit-chat...get back to amusin' us! Machen sie schnell! LOL
I shore do luv these "close encounters", dontchall?
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 10:16:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by tqb
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:08:58 GMT, "Terry Heinze"
Post by Terry Heinze
If history had been written accurately in the 1st place, it wouldn't NEED
rewriting.
And you define an epimedilogic event as genocide? That is just plain
bulldhit
Lemme help ya, l'il Johnny...
It's EPIDEMIOLOGICAL event, see ? Ya need that "al" on th' end ta make
it an ADJECTIVE ta modify "event"...
"bulldhit"???? There's an operation ta fix that , Johnny, then ya can
talk more plainly... I'll perform th' surgery m'self, fer a very
nominal fee. OR, mebbe that's jest how supremacist folks talk????
Reckon it's th' incest that causes that?
What does yer uncle-daddy-grandpa tell ya an epidemic iz, Johnny? Or
does he know that big of a word?
Yer doin' REEEEAAAAL good so far, l'il Johnny! You hang in there &
have a good time! Ummm...you don't mind if folks make crass remarks
yer way, do ya? Or howz about references to yer parentage & such? I
didn't think you would mind one bit! I mean, if ya sling it ya know to
duck, dontcha? Injun folk are soooo uncivilized, eh, L'il Johnny?
Awww, hang on! You ain't L'il Johnny, are ya? Yer "Beelzebub"!!! From
hell, right? HAR HAR HAR!!! babee boy, you wouldn't know hell if it
bit ya on yer smelly white azz!
Don't let me distract ya from yer makin' a HUGE idjit outta yerself,
kid! Go right ahead on! Did you ever consider comedy as a profession,
kid?
But first, tell us... iz there more'n TWO names in yer family
cemetery? I don't personally give a rip, jest curious... about that
much, nawww, less than that... har har har!
Enuff chit-chat...get back to amusin' us! Machen sie schnell! LOL
I shore do luv these "close encounters", dontchall?
You gotta love it when they fuck up twice in a row....

Chao pescao!







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-14 02:38:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:03:38 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
In recognition of whom? Bovine proctologists?
AKA History Revisionists
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Are you sure, funny person? Think about it. First you said Todd's list
was "bullshit" and now your claiming "historical revisionism."

Here's the burden before you:

OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).

Show how these days are the product of historical revisionism.

Bet you can't do it (intelligently).

Oh, you were going to say "I meant Columbus." Well, then, you're way
off topic - or you're just sputtering jingoisms.

Erik
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 03:10:03 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:38:34 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
Show how these days are the product of historical revisionism.
Easy. There was no Indigenous Resistance on Oct 12th 1492. This name
was concoted by dear ole Chavez and his "revolution" to make lots of
noise and call attention to the usual idiots that still think
Socialism/Comunism is the way to go.

Just so you and your buddies know, the descendants of those indians
are right now begging for food in the streets of major cities in
Venezuela. It seems that Chavez's revolution and conmemoration of "Day
of Indigenous Resistance" has not brought them the justice he claims
to give.









"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-14 11:42:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:38:34 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
Show how these days are the product of historical revisionism.
Easy. There was no Indigenous Resistance on Oct 12th 1492. This name
was concoted by dear ole Chavez and his "revolution" to make lots of
noise and call attention to the usual idiots that still think
Socialism/Comunism is the way to go.
That's cutting it pretty thin, Beeblebuzzard. The date simply marks the
time when the albino toads from across the pond first infected this
hemisphere. And is Chavez a populist? Well...yes.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Just so you and your buddies know, the descendants of those indians
are right now begging for food in the streets of major cities in
Venezuela. It seems that Chavez's revolution and conmemoration of "Day
of Indigenous Resistance" has not brought them the justice he claims
to give.
Actually he's done a pretty good job, in spite of the crippling
opposition he must deal with. During phase one of Plan Zamora the
Chavez government gave title to 2.5 million acres to 40,000 campesinos,
and this year another 5 million acres is the target. The Barrio Adentro
program is providing health care to 200,000, and there are also literacy
projects going on. Of course this is a drop in the bucket - but it's
never happened in Venezuela in the past. Venezuela is still basically a
typical Latin American Oligarchy, and the wealthy believe God made
poverty to keep poor people poor.

I think you are actually blowing a lot of hot air out of your ass. You
don't seem to be terribly well informed on the issues you like to whine
about.

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 12:43:05 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:42:50 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Actually he's done a pretty good job, in spite of the crippling
opposition he must deal with. During phase one of Plan Zamora the
Chavez government gave title to 2.5 million acres to 40,000 campesinos,
and this year another 5 million acres is the target. The Barrio Adentro
program is providing health care to 200,000, and there are also literacy
projects going on. Of course this is a drop in the bucket - but it's
never happened in Venezuela in the past. Venezuela is still basically a
typical Latin American Oligarchy, and the wealthy believe God made
poverty to keep poor people poor.
Hmmmm I don't see the word indian anywhere up there.. I wonder if they
get any land. I dont think so since they are literally living under
the bridges in Caracas. Would you like specific locations so you can
go check them out?

And go softly extoling the rest of the programs. It seems they are
quiet questionable when after a 3 month period, the government is
issuing GED to people that could not read or write before. The medical
thing is subject in another thread already discussed in SCV, but so
far has been failing miserably. People kinda distrust "doctors" that
kill 50% of the patients they see.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-14 20:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:42:50 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Actually he's done a pretty good job, in spite of the crippling
opposition he must deal with. During phase one of Plan Zamora the
Chavez government gave title to 2.5 million acres to 40,000 campesinos,
and this year another 5 million acres is the target. The Barrio Adentro
program is providing health care to 200,000, and there are also literacy
projects going on. Of course this is a drop in the bucket - but it's
never happened in Venezuela in the past. Venezuela is still basically a
typical Latin American Oligarchy, and the wealthy believe God made
poverty to keep poor people poor.
Hmmmm I don't see the word indian anywhere up there.. I wonder if they
get any land. I dont think so since they are literally living under
the bridges in Caracas. Would you like specific locations so you can
go check them out?
You don't think so? Isn't that saying you don't know? But what are you
suggesting? That the poor of Venezuela were imported from Southeast
Asia? Or are you going to play the "Ladino" card?
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
And go softly extoling the rest of the programs. It seems they are
quiet questionable when after a 3 month period, the government is
issuing GED to people that could not read or write before. The medical
thing is subject in another thread already discussed in SCV, but so
far has been failing miserably. People kinda distrust "doctors" that
kill 50% of the patients they see.
That was going softly, my friend. But why demonize Chavez? He's a
popular leader, dispised by the Oligarchs, and even protected
Venezuela's future by transferring the nation's reserve currency to from
the dollar to the Euro. You are "for the people" aren't you?

Erik
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 21:07:50 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:08:49 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Hmmmm I don't see the word indian anywhere up there.. I wonder if they
get any land. I dont think so since they are literally living under
the bridges in Caracas. Would you like specific locations so you can
go check them out?
You don't think so? Isn't that saying you don't know? But what are you
suggesting? That the poor of Venezuela were imported from Southeast
Asia? Or are you going to play the "Ladino" card?
Oh, I know where the venezuelan indians are.. and they are not
harvesting the fruits of the land as Chavez says but begging for
scraps of food.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
And go softly extoling the rest of the programs. It seems they are
quiet questionable when after a 3 month period, the government is
issuing GED to people that could not read or write before. The medical
thing is subject in another thread already discussed in SCV, but so
far has been failing miserably. People kinda distrust "doctors" that
kill 50% of the patients they see.
That was going softly, my friend. But why demonize Chavez?
Because the idiot has turned the country into a hellhole? Because we
Venezuela now has a murder every 45 minutes? over 20% unemployment?
over 60% subemployment? Yellow fever has made a comeback? Public
hospitals are without the necessary basic equipment? Dialysis die
because the goverment does not maintain the machines? Not one single
corrupt politician has seen the inside of prison? His own people are
now buying luxury houses and apartments cash? Malnutrtion is now a
thing of the present? And all these happening with the biggest income
for oil in the last 30 years?

I don't know, you take your pick.








"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 21:11:34 UTC
Permalink
Dialysis patients die
because the goverment does not maintain the machines?
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-14 20:33:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
AKA History Revisionists
How the fuck is Canadian Thanksgiving "revisionist"?
Moron.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 21:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
AKA History Revisionists
How the fuck is Canadian Thanksgiving "revisionist"?
Moron.
The way the canadian treated their own natives? Or is it that the
Canadians are giving thanks because they got rid of them?







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Wayne George
2003-10-15 04:32:10 UTC
Permalink
Hey "BDH"...you never drove a "Turnup Truck" did you?(this is a
statement..not a question)

Wayne George tsc.sd.
First Nations Artist

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
AKA History Revisionists
How the fuck is Canadian Thanksgiving "revisionist"?
Moron.
The way the canadian treated their own natives? Or is it that the
Canadians are giving thanks because they got rid of them?
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-15 13:12:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
AKA History Revisionists
How the fuck is Canadian Thanksgiving "revisionist"?
Moron.
The way the canadian treated their own natives? Or is it that the
Canadians are giving thanks because they got rid of them?
Okay, asswipe, you can't have it both ways. Either europens massacred the
natives when they arrived in North America, or they didn't. Or are you
actually insinuating that you think the Europeans that settled north of the
49th were much more brutal in their treatment of the natives than the
Europens that settled south of the 49th? If this is the case, you lose all
credibility, which you really had very little of already.

No, I'm not saying the Europeans North of the 49th weren't as bad as all
that. I know they were. I'd still like to know what that has to do with
'Revisionist History' in relation to Columbus Day, dumbass.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 13:23:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Okay, asswipe, you can't have it both ways.
Well, you do it on the weekends, right? and your partners form both
sexes seem quite unsatisfied.

Now, either attach yourself to the crux of the discussion which is the
so called 100 million indian massacre by Columbus or go back to be
intercoursed by canines.









"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-15 13:39:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Okay, asswipe, you can't have it both ways.
Well, you do it on the weekends, right? and your partners form both
sexes seem quite unsatisfied.
Now, either attach yourself to the crux of the discussion which is the
so called 100 million indian massacre by Columbus or go back to be
intercoursed by canines.
Actually no, fuckstick... this is Usenet, and there's a reason these
discussions are called "threads".
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.

I called into question a point you made, which obviously you can't back up.
Just admit it.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 14:54:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.
Then go eat some alpo







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-15 15:03:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.
Then go eat some alpo
Yep, just as I thought... "battle of wits with an unarmed man".
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 15:07:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.
Then go eat some alpo
Yep, just as I thought... "battle of wits with an unarmed man".
And that is why I decided to stop abusing you. You may sue me later
for violating your civil rights.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-15 17:10:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.
Then go eat some alpo
Yep, just as I thought... "battle of wits with an unarmed man".
And that is why I decided to stop abusing you. You may sue me later
for violating your civil rights.
Oh yes, because attacking me with refernces to bisexuality, beastiality and
my diet is such a witty, on-topic and valid response to my question about
how Canadian Thanksgiving is revisionist history in regards to Columbus Day.

You really are a total retard, you know that? You might want to double check
that your helmet fits right, cause it seems you continue to do more and more
damage to yourself every day.

Jackass.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 19:43:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Oh yes, because attacking me with refernces to bisexuality,
I was not attacking, I was simply stating your preferences.
Now go play with yout Tonka trucks.








"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-15 20:16:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Oh yes, because attacking me with refernces to bisexuality,
I was not attacking, I was simply stating your preferences.
Now go play with yout Tonka trucks.
When you lick the windows, you should make sure all the WINDEX has been
wiped off, first.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-15 20:50:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
When you lick the windows, you should make sure all the WINDEX has been
wiped off, first.
What a lousy flame!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
x
2003-10-16 14:53:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by duKe jaVieR
Post by x
When you lick the windows, you should make sure all the WINDEX has been
wiped off, first.
What a lousy flame!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
Dude, I'm dealing with a guy that thinks "You eat Alpo", "You are bisexual"
and "you have sex with dogs" are high brow, wit-filled comebacks. I'm really
not going to expend too much energy on him, and I'm really not concerned
about how "lousy" you think my flames are.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-16 15:16:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Dude, I'm dealing with a guy that thinks "You eat Alpo", "You are bisexual"
and "you have sex with dogs" are high brow, wit-filled comebacks. I'm really
not going to expend too much energy on him, and I'm really not concerned
about how "lousy" you think my flames are.
OK, you have won #59 on my list!

NEXT!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-15 15:07:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
I'm not interested in the "crux of the conversation", else I would have
posted further down.
Then go eat some alpo
He just ate your lunch.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-15 13:35:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Okay, asswipe, you can't have it both ways.
Well, you do it on the weekends, right? and your partners form both
sexes seem quite unsatisfied.
Now, either attach yourself to the crux of the discussion which is the
so called 100 million indian massacre by Columbus or go back to be
intercoursed by canines.
You actually *are* an asswipe.

Nobody has said 100 million, so you can have that one.

Columbus had a few million people killed. Other Spanish assholes
kill other millions.

Not nice folks asswipe. Go read up on the Inquisition. These
jerks were equal opportunity assholes.

You seem to remind me of them...
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 14:53:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Go read up on the Inquisition. These
jerks were equal opportunity assholes.
Kinda reminds you of Liberals...







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-15 15:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
Go read up on the Inquisition. These
jerks were equal opportunity assholes.
Kinda reminds you of Liberals...
Nope. Reminds me of the right wing of the Repugnican Party.
Iraq comes to mind...

And so do you.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-15 15:43:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Nope. Reminds me of the right wing of the Repugnican Party.
Iraq comes to mind...
And so do you.
Papitas, tostones, cotufas, maní .... ICE COLD BEER, ICE COLD BEER!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 19:42:34 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:43:18 -0400, "duKe jaVieR"
Post by duKe jaVieR
Post by Floyd Davidson
Nope. Reminds me of the right wing of the Repugnican Party.
Iraq comes to mind...
And so do you.
Papitas, tostones, cotufas, maní .... ICE COLD BEER, ICE COLD BEER!
Quejate guebon !!!! JAJJAJAJAJAA








"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 19:42:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
Go read up on the Inquisition. These
jerks were equal opportunity assholes.
Kinda reminds you of Liberals...
Nope. Reminds me of the right wing of the Repugnican Party.
Iraq comes to mind...
And so do you.
Ahhhh... now I understand your narowmindeness. Political Dogma above
Truth.

Ok,... never mind... I could have sworn I was talking to a human
being.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Wayne George
2003-10-15 04:29:46 UTC
Permalink
GOOD ONE "x".....I think I like your style....

Wayne George tsc.sd.
First Nations Artist

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
AKA History Revisionists
How the fuck is Canadian Thanksgiving "revisionist"?
Moron.
--
x
"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
tqb
2003-10-14 08:46:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).
All of the above dates are also known as BULLSHIT DAY..
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Well, well, siegheil, l'il feller! Vie gehts? Du bist SS? : ) Varum
kommst du hierein? Deutschland, deutschland ober alles, eh?
'Scuse me, l'il feller, I know ya barely speak ONE language, so here
it iz in th' king's lingo...
Now, lemme guess, & it's jest a guess , mind ya... are youuuu by any
chance a lily-white-supremacist type ignert, or jest a PLAIN
lily-white ignert? I reckon ya ain't got sense enuff NOT ta intrude
into places what AIN'T lily-white-supremacist, so you jest hang around
& hang around & show us th' TRUE daffynition of white schtoopidity,
pleez, will ya? Gawd how I LUV watchin' a yuneg idjit redefine idjit!
Tho' I agree 1000% with yer gun statement, yer sh*t about th' rest iz
proof ta me that you wouldn't be somebody that OUGHTA own a firearm &
I'm sure ol' Heston hisself would agree! You ever shoot yerself in th'
foot, boy?
Tell us, kid, are ya married to yer aunt or yer sister? Or mebbe yer
milk-cow? I know some good ol' supremacist boyz up towards Mars Hill
that are married to their own mommas, but with yer reference ta
"bulls" I'd bet you wuz more of a COW-boy, eh? No offence now, I'm
jest an ignert injun "breed" with not near th' brains it takes ta be
no supremacist ( I got more'n TWO brain cells see...nawww, really,
SOME folks DO got more'n TWO! I can show ya MRIs ta prove not ALL
folks lacks brains!) heh heh
I shore hope ya stay & play, l'il feller... we ain't seen one of yer
breed in , awww, I dunno, mebbe a month? Hang tuff, repeat yerself
over & over,spout yer propaganda,try ta mess with us misled
NON-whites, mebbe even try ta convert us? I jest LUV it when folks try
ta convert us! And can ya use them o-ffensive words & wore-out terms
ta try ta make us feel sooooo bad...boo-hoo!...
Iz yer IQ th' same as yer shoe size, JohnnyBoy?
Didja know Hitler played with hisself, Johnny? Didja know he quite
often ate human excrement & liked ta be pissed on? Now, I'd bet, if I
wuz a bettin' womern, that yer sayin' to yerself, "Hell! Don't
EVERBODY like that?" Well, l'il feller, th' answer iz NO, Nawww, not
ever'body does! But don't you let that stop YOUUUU!!! : )
Johnny? Saaaay, I got about a million "L'il Johnny" jokes!!! Ya want I
should post some here? Well, mebbe not... there's BOUND ta be more'n
ENUFF jokes once you sprechen some of that whiteSupremacy schtuff to
us... Go ahead! Ready, set, GO!!!
har har har!
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 10:15:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by tqb
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
OCTOBER 12 IS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY IN CALIFORNIA.
OCTOBER 12 IS NATIVE AMERICAN DAY IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
OCTOBER 12 IS THE DAY OF INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE IN VENEZUELA.
OCTOBER 13 IS THE HARVEST FESTIVAL (CANADIAN THANKSGIVING).
All of the above dates are also known as BULLSHIT DAY..
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Well, well, siegheil, l'il feller! Vie gehts? Du bist SS? : ) Varum
kommst du hierein? Deutschland, deutschland ober alles, eh?
'Scuse me, l'il feller, I know ya barely speak ONE language, so here
it iz in th' king's lingo...
Now, lemme guess, & it's jest a guess , mind ya... are youuuu by any
chance a lily-white-supremacist type ignert, or jest a PLAIN
lily-white ignert? I reckon ya ain't got sense enuff NOT ta intrude
into places what AIN'T lily-white-supremacist, so you jest hang around
& hang around & show us th' TRUE daffynition of white schtoopidity,
pleez, will ya? Gawd how I LUV watchin' a yuneg idjit redefine idjit!
Tho' I agree 1000% with yer gun statement, yer sh*t about th' rest iz
proof ta me that you wouldn't be somebody that OUGHTA own a firearm &
I'm sure ol' Heston hisself would agree! You ever shoot yerself in th'
foot, boy?
Tell us, kid, are ya married to yer aunt or yer sister? Or mebbe yer
milk-cow? I know some good ol' supremacist boyz up towards Mars Hill
that are married to their own mommas, but with yer reference ta
"bulls" I'd bet you wuz more of a COW-boy, eh? No offence now, I'm
jest an ignert injun "breed" with not near th' brains it takes ta be
no supremacist ( I got more'n TWO brain cells see...nawww, really,
SOME folks DO got more'n TWO! I can show ya MRIs ta prove not ALL
folks lacks brains!) heh heh
I shore hope ya stay & play, l'il feller... we ain't seen one of yer
breed in , awww, I dunno, mebbe a month? Hang tuff, repeat yerself
over & over,spout yer propaganda,try ta mess with us misled
NON-whites, mebbe even try ta convert us? I jest LUV it when folks try
ta convert us! And can ya use them o-ffensive words & wore-out terms
ta try ta make us feel sooooo bad...boo-hoo!...
Iz yer IQ th' same as yer shoe size, JohnnyBoy?
Didja know Hitler played with hisself, Johnny? Didja know he quite
often ate human excrement & liked ta be pissed on? Now, I'd bet, if I
wuz a bettin' womern, that yer sayin' to yerself, "Hell! Don't
EVERBODY like that?" Well, l'il feller, th' answer iz NO, Nawww, not
ever'body does! But don't you let that stop YOUUUU!!! : )
Johnny? Saaaay, I got about a million "L'il Johnny" jokes!!! Ya want I
should post some here? Well, mebbe not... there's BOUND ta be more'n
ENUFF jokes once you sprechen some of that whiteSupremacy schtuff to
us... Go ahead! Ready, set, GO!!!
har har har!
Now now.. if you are gonna spew racist insults, at least target the
right racial group. All that effort wasted trying to rile me up when a
good WETBACK or BROWN BABY could have bee used and they would be more
appropiate. Oh yes, I am a SPIC, I am sorry, I should have made that
clear from the get go so you wouldn't have to show your prejudicd ass
so badly in front of the world to see.
Lo siento mucho, pero asi les pasa lo pendejos que se creen mas
sabihondos que los demas: siempre terminana haciendo el ridiculo.
Tener educacion no significa ser educado. E per favore, vai propiamete
fanculo, schiffo di merda.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-10-14 16:46:06 UTC
Permalink
[SNIP well-meaning rant against white supremacists.]
Now now... if you are gonna spew racist insults, at least target
the right racial group. All that effort wasted trying to rile me
up when a good WETBACK or BROWN BABY could have bee [sic] used
and they would be more appropiate [sic]. Oh yes, I am a SPIC, I
am sorry, I should have made that clear from the get go so you
wouldn't have to show your prejudicd [sic] ass so badly in front
of the world to see.
Now that you've sarcastically identified yourself, even in this
derogatory language, it is obvious that you are not only a
holocaust denier, but also an apologist for the Spanish
conquistadors.

- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2

Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

Forthcoming:
Dark Thunder (Book: Poetry)
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental)
Nova Psychedelia (CD: Remixes)
Dancing Through The Side Worlds (4-CD: Vocal)
The Poetry Of Lists (Book: Nonfiction)

- - - -
"A shattering realization is brought home: The German Holocaust
was not unique in history. There is a holocaust in our American
past. We owe it to its victims, and to our own future, to reflect
on this."
- - Hans Koning
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 16:55:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Now that you've sarcastically identified yourself, even in this
derogatory language, it is obvious that you are not only a
holocaust denier, but also an apologist for the Spanish
conquistadors.
Amazing, you want to stick to the frigging facts and they call you an
apologist. I guess it beats being a full fledged liar like Toddy here.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-14 21:37:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Now that you've sarcastically identified yourself, even in this
derogatory language, it is obvious that you are not only a
holocaust denier, but also an apologist for the Spanish
conquistadors.
Amazing, you want to stick to the frigging facts and they call you an
apologist. I guess it beats being a full fledged liar like Toddy here.
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox." The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi." It was brought on by severe
droughts on those dates, and exacerbated by the deplorable conditions
that the Spaniards forced everyone to live under after they had
destroyed the Indian civilizations in Mexico.

As a "historian" I would liberally give you a grade of D+.

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-14 21:43:16 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!










"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-15 04:38:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!
Your reasoning powers are...well, astounding, Beezelblurb.

"The epidemic of 1576-80 was sufficiently different in presentation from
previous, well described New World epidemic outbreaks to warrant the new
name, huey cocoliztli. This outbreak was the worst of ten previous
scourges (Table 1). Nahua chroniclers referred to it as the huey
cocoliztli (the term matlazahuatl was also used); Spanish observers
called it "the great pestilence". Earlier medical historians have
speculated on a possible cause, basing their theories on the Spanish and
Nahuatl descriptions and knowledge of disease available at the time.
Theories have included smallpox (variola major), alastrim (variola
minor), measles, dysentery, pneumonia, pleurisy and influenza.
Alternative explanations have included epidemic and endemic typhus,
spotted fever, pneumonic plague, and yellow fever.1 However, with two
exceptions, plausible explanations for the huey cocoliztli are lacking."

http://www.isr.umd.edu/~miw/coco/id2.htm
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 09:20:23 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:38:36 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!
Your reasoning powers are...well, astounding, Beezelblurb.
"The epidemic of 1576-80 was sufficiently different in presentation from
previous, well described New World epidemic outbreaks to warrant the new
name, huey cocoliztli. This outbreak was the worst of ten previous
scourges (Table 1). Nahua chroniclers referred to it as the huey
cocoliztli (the term matlazahuatl was also used); Spanish observers
called it "the great pestilence". Earlier medical historians have
speculated on a possible cause, basing their theories on the Spanish and
Nahuatl descriptions and knowledge of disease available at the time.
Theories have included smallpox (variola major), alastrim (variola
minor), measles, dysentery, pneumonia, pleurisy and influenza.
Alternative explanations have included epidemic and endemic typhus,
spotted fever, pneumonic plague, and yellow fever.1 However, with two
exceptions, plausible explanations for the huey cocoliztli are lacking."
http://www.isr.umd.edu/~miw/coco/id2.htm
So, basically. Checking table 1 of that report, we have Smallpox and
Influenza as top killers. Thanks ! It's been nice.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-15 10:03:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:38:36 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!
Your reasoning powers are...well, astounding, Beezelblurb.
"The epidemic of 1576-80 was sufficiently different in presentation from
previous, well described New World epidemic outbreaks to warrant the new
name, huey cocoliztli. This outbreak was the worst of ten previous
scourges (Table 1). Nahua chroniclers referred to it as the huey
cocoliztli (the term matlazahuatl was also used); Spanish observers
called it "the great pestilence". Earlier medical historians have
speculated on a possible cause, basing their theories on the Spanish and
Nahuatl descriptions and knowledge of disease available at the time.
Theories have included smallpox (variola major), alastrim (variola
minor), measles, dysentery, pneumonia, pleurisy and influenza.
Alternative explanations have included epidemic and endemic typhus,
spotted fever, pneumonic plague, and yellow fever.1 However, with two
exceptions, plausible explanations for the huey cocoliztli are lacking."
http://www.isr.umd.edu/~miw/coco/id2.htm
So, basically. Checking table 1 of that report, we have Smallpox and
Influenza as top killers. Thanks ! It's been nice.
You are a fart in a whirlwind, my friend. The issue was your idiotic
challenge concerning Aztecs with microscopes.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 11:15:41 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:03:50 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:38:36 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!
Your reasoning powers are...well, astounding, Beezelblurb.
"The epidemic of 1576-80 was sufficiently different in presentation from
previous, well described New World epidemic outbreaks to warrant the new
name, huey cocoliztli. This outbreak was the worst of ten previous
scourges (Table 1). Nahua chroniclers referred to it as the huey
cocoliztli (the term matlazahuatl was also used); Spanish observers
called it "the great pestilence". Earlier medical historians have
speculated on a possible cause, basing their theories on the Spanish and
Nahuatl descriptions and knowledge of disease available at the time.
Theories have included smallpox (variola major), alastrim (variola
minor), measles, dysentery, pneumonia, pleurisy and influenza.
Alternative explanations have included epidemic and endemic typhus,
spotted fever, pneumonic plague, and yellow fever.1 However, with two
exceptions, plausible explanations for the huey cocoliztli are lacking."
http://www.isr.umd.edu/~miw/coco/id2.htm
So, basically. Checking table 1 of that report, we have Smallpox and
Influenza as top killers. Thanks ! It's been nice.
You are a fart in a whirlwind, my friend. The issue was your idiotic
challenge concerning Aztecs with microscopes.
No, the issue was that you said that the indians had died of
hantavirus and the record shows smallpox and influenza. You saying
that the indians recognized it as a virus was an unexpected bonus to
make fun of it.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-15 20:43:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:03:50 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:38:36 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:42 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Facts smacts...'splain why the symptoms of the Mexican plagues of 1545
and 1576, which killed 17 million, including Peninsulars, Creoles and
Mistizos, didn't remotely resemble your "flue" and "smallpox."
Including peninsulars? There goes the CIA/Spain Conspiracy Theory.
Post by Erik A. Mattila
The
symptons did "in fact" resemble a haemorrhagic fever, probably the
hantavirus the Indians called "Cocolitzi."
Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron
Microscope!
Your reasoning powers are...well, astounding, Beezelblurb.
"The epidemic of 1576-80 was sufficiently different in presentation from
previous, well described New World epidemic outbreaks to warrant the new
name, huey cocoliztli. This outbreak was the worst of ten previous
scourges (Table 1). Nahua chroniclers referred to it as the huey
cocoliztli (the term matlazahuatl was also used); Spanish observers
called it "the great pestilence". Earlier medical historians have
speculated on a possible cause, basing their theories on the Spanish and
Nahuatl descriptions and knowledge of disease available at the time.
Theories have included smallpox (variola major), alastrim (variola
minor), measles, dysentery, pneumonia, pleurisy and influenza.
Alternative explanations have included epidemic and endemic typhus,
spotted fever, pneumonic plague, and yellow fever.1 However, with two
exceptions, plausible explanations for the huey cocoliztli are lacking."
http://www.isr.umd.edu/~miw/coco/id2.htm
So, basically. Checking table 1 of that report, we have Smallpox and
Influenza as top killers. Thanks ! It's been nice.
You are a fart in a whirlwind, my friend. The issue was your idiotic
challenge concerning Aztecs with microscopes.
No, the issue was that you said that the indians had died of
hantavirus and the record shows smallpox and influenza. You saying
that the indians recognized it as a virus was an unexpected bonus to
make fun of it.
Er,

"Wait wait.. the indians already knew about virus in 1545 and 1576?
Holy Shit Batman.. .. We have discovered the Aztec Electron Microscope!"

I thought you would be smart enough to extrapolate from the clip that a
disease can actually be named even if it's causes were unknown, and
discover how specious your comment was. You probably are, so your
unwillingness to own up to that seems to point to other motives.

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 21:23:28 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:43:12 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
I thought you would be smart enough to extrapolate from the clip that a
disease can actually be named even if it's causes were unknown, and
discover how specious your comment was. You probably are, so your
unwillingness to own up to that seems to point to other motives.
Christ you are dense. But understandable, otherwise you would not be
buying that shit.

Now, by the same table, cocoliztli is associated with Pestlience
(Tiphus), Sarampion (Measles and not Smallpox like appears in the
"translation") and Pujamiento de Sangre which can be loosely
translated as evacuating blood or blood in the feces.
It sems to me that cocoliztli is a very generic term to indicate
sickness rather than an specification of hantavirus.

Tha table itself, the representation of their investigation, is so
flawed by basic language mistakes that I cannot take it seriously. And
we are talking mistakes that could have been prevented by a simple
check on a dictionary.
If they fuck up so royally on something so basic, you really want
anybody to accept the rest of their findings? You have to be either
blind or have a serious political agenda to accept that. Ignorance is
also something to think about.










"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-15 22:30:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:43:12 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
I thought you would be smart enough to extrapolate from the clip that a
disease can actually be named even if it's causes were unknown, and
discover how specious your comment was. You probably are, so your
unwillingness to own up to that seems to point to other motives.
Christ you are dense. But understandable, otherwise you would not be
buying that shit.
Now, by the same table, cocoliztli is associated with Pestlience
(Tiphus), Sarampion (Measles and not Smallpox like appears in the
"translation") and Pujamiento de Sangre which can be loosely
translated as evacuating blood or blood in the feces.
It sems to me that cocoliztli is a very generic term to indicate
sickness rather than an specification of hantavirus.
Tha table itself, the representation of their investigation, is so
flawed by basic language mistakes that I cannot take it seriously. And
we are talking mistakes that could have been prevented by a simple
check on a dictionary.
If they fuck up so royally on something so basic, you really want
anybody to accept the rest of their findings? You have to be either
blind or have a serious political agenda to accept that. Ignorance is
also something to think about.
Forget the table for a moment. I want your concession that the Nahuas
could actually have a name for a disease without having microscopes. If
you do that, maybe I'll think it's worthwhile going into the other
issues you are using to camoflage your stupidity.

Fair enough?

eam
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-15 22:41:00 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:30:43 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Forget the table for a moment. I want your concession that the Nahuas
could actually have a name for a disease without having microscopes. If
you do that, maybe I'll think it's worthwhile going into the other
issues you are using to camoflage your stupidity.
Fair enough?
So, no table, no valid study but I must agree that the indians knew it
was hantavirus just because you said so? What is next? I should also
conceed that the Aztec word for athlete's foot should be translated as
brain tumor?

Just forget it, Go shove this manure onto somebody that will not
question you.











"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-16 01:18:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:30:43 -0700, "Erik A. Mattila"
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Forget the table for a moment. I want your concession that the Nahuas
could actually have a name for a disease without having microscopes. If
you do that, maybe I'll think it's worthwhile going into the other
issues you are using to camoflage your stupidity.
Fair enough?
So, no table, no valid study but I must agree that the indians knew it
was hantavirus just because you said so? What is next? I should also
conceed that the Aztec word for athlete's foot should be translated as
brain tumor?
Just forget it, Go shove this manure onto somebody that will not
question you.
Translation: "I am an idiot."
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-16 05:13:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Translation: "I am an idiot."
Yes, YOU are!

Pa'la cochinera!
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-16 05:37:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by duKe jaVieR
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Translation: "I am an idiot."
Yes, YOU are!
Pa'la cochinera!
Wow, I'm impressed. How creative!
The King Alan Brito Oxidao
2003-10-16 05:41:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Erik A. Mattila
"I am an idiot."
=============0=0=0=0=============

We know Erik.
Watch it anyways, because when you are an idiot, the road to becoming stupid
is very short.
--
The King,
Alan Brito Oxidao.

Si todos los venezolanos habláramos como Chávez el oficialismo
no tendría oposición y los cubanos tendrían el mas ambicioso
proyecto de -aglrfavetisazión- en Sur America.
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-16 06:27:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by The King Alan Brito Oxidao
Post by Erik A. Mattila
"I am an idiot."
=============0=0=0=0=============
We know Erik.
Watch it anyways, because when you are an idiot, the road to becoming stupid
is very short.
Jajajaja...you guys remind me of the Zen Koan about the monks who were
going to go to thier retreat on Mt. Fuji for 2 weeks of meditation, and
the observation of a vow of silence. The divided up all the chores and
duties ahead of time so the wouldn't have to talk to each other while at
the temple. But on the first evening of meditation, the lamp went out.
One monk turned to the monk who was supposed to take care of the
lamps, and scolded "You fool, you've let the lamp go out."

Another turned to him and said "But you are a greater fool. You broke
our vow of silence."

Another turned to him and said "But you are a greater fool yet, for
knowing he broke the vow of silence, you did also."

Another turned to him and said "But you are the greatest fool yet....."

And so on. So please continue. I am enjoying this.

eam
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-16 09:33:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by The King Alan Brito Oxidao
Post by Erik A. Mattila
"I am an idiot."
=============0=0=0=0=============
We know Erik.
Watch it anyways, because when you are an idiot, the road to becoming stupid
is very short.
That't three articles now, all taking that out of context
intentionally.

It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.

But we knew right from the start that was the way it would be,
didn't we!
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-16 11:56:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.
Leyt me get this straight. According to you, Erik, based on flawed
data from people that actually confused Measles with Smallpox and
couldn't tell diarreah from a runny nose, has won this alleged
discussion?

Please tell me that neither one of you is a doctor or going through
medical school or plan being involved in healng sciences. The thought
is just too damn scary.







"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
x
2003-10-16 15:03:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.
Leyt me get this straight. According to you, Erik, based on flawed
data from people that actually confused Measles with Smallpox and
couldn't tell diarreah from a runny nose, has won this alleged
discussion?
Please tell me that neither one of you is a doctor or going through
medical school or plan being involved in healng sciences. The thought
is just too damn scary.
So, have you figured out how Canadian Thanksgiving is Historical Revisionism
in relation to Columbus Day, yet? No? What a surpise. Dumbass.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
duKe jaVieR
2003-10-16 15:21:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
So, have you figured out how Canadian Thanksgiving is Historical Revisionism
in relation to Columbus Day, yet? No? What a surpise. Dumbass.
I read this from a recent posting of yours: "I'm really
not going to expend too much energy on him, and I'm really not concerned
about how "lousy" you think my flames are."

So, DISAPPEAR already!!! Take SCV out of your list.
--
Javier
Duke of Hazzard Camorras
x
2003-10-16 19:59:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Post by x
So, have you figured out how Canadian Thanksgiving is Historical
Revisionism
Post by x
in relation to Columbus Day, yet? No? What a surpise. Dumbass.
I read this from a recent posting of yours: "I'm really
not going to expend too much energy on him, and I'm really not concerned
about how "lousy" you think my flames are."
So, DISAPPEAR already!!! Take SCV out of your list.
Here's an idea Havié, why don't you just fuck off?

Unless of course, Beelzebub needs you for backup.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Beelzebu DasHell
2003-10-16 16:21:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.
Leyt me get this straight. According to you, Erik, based on flawed
data from people that actually confused Measles with Smallpox and
couldn't tell diarreah from a runny nose, has won this alleged
discussion?
Please tell me that neither one of you is a doctor or going through
medical school or plan being involved in healng sciences. The thought
is just too damn scary.
So, have you figured out how Canadian Thanksgiving is Historical Revisionism
in relation to Columbus Day, yet? No? What a surpise. Dumbass.
I already told you.. French and English settlers killed all the
indians and thanked God for it.









"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Free men own guns - slaves don't
E. Barry Bruyea
2003-10-16 16:35:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by x
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
Post by Floyd Davidson
It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.
Leyt me get this straight. According to you, Erik, based on flawed
data from people that actually confused Measles with Smallpox and
couldn't tell diarreah from a runny nose, has won this alleged
discussion?
Please tell me that neither one of you is a doctor or going through
medical school or plan being involved in healng sciences. The thought
is just too damn scary.
So, have you figured out how Canadian Thanksgiving is Historical Revisionism
in relation to Columbus Day, yet? No? What a surpise. Dumbass.
I already told you.. French and English settlers killed all the
indians and thanked God for it.
The implication here is that the U.S. & Canada spend Billions of
dollars every year..........supporting Ghosts! Houdini would be
delirious.
Post by Beelzebu DasHell
"The Right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Erik A. Mattila
2003-10-16 12:02:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Floyd Davidson
Post by The King Alan Brito Oxidao
Post by Erik A. Mattila
"I am an idiot."
=============0=0=0=0=============
We know Erik.
Watch it anyways, because when you are an idiot, the road to becoming stupid
is very short.
That't three articles now, all taking that out of context
intentionally.
It appears that Erik has made his point so well that none of
feel able to even begin an argument to refute him. He wins,
you lose.
But we knew right from the start that was the way it would be,
didn't we!
My part of we knew. How are you doing, Floyd? Nice to read your posts
after my long absence. Are you seeing the signs of global warming in
your neighborhood? I've been hearing so much in the news about dramatic
changes in the arctic.

Erik
Floyd Davidson
2003-10-16 12:33:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Erik A. Mattila
My part of we knew. How are you doing, Floyd? Nice to read your posts
after my long absence. Are you seeing the signs of global warming in
your neighborhood? I've been hearing so much in the news about dramatic
changes in the arctic.
Erik
I don't know if it is actually global warming, but there is
little doubt at all that this part of the Arctic is warmer than
it was 30 years ago.

Which is problem for me, as I've been moving farther north every
decade or two all of my life... But to do that one more time,
I'll have to save up and buy a house boat... cause I'm 400 yards
from the Arctic Ocean now.

However, the New York Times seems to have started a rumor that
won't quit too. They published a story about a year ago saying
it had warmed up 7 degrees in Alaska over 30 years. But nobody
can figure out what 30 years they're talking about! The
temperatures here in Barrow have warmed up more than any place
in Alaska, and it's only maybe 4 degrees warmer here. Now there
are other people repeating it, except they're claiming it's 8
degrees!

Here's what it really is,

http://web.archive.org/web/20020916001146/http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/nytimes.html

Heh, here's the current weather:

Barrow, Post Rogers Memorial Airport, AK, United States
(PABR) 71-17-03N 156-46-41W 10M
Current time: Thu Oct 16 04:26:49 2003 AKDT
Weather reported at: Thu Oct 16 03:53:00 2003 AKDT

Wind : from the ENE (060 degrees) at 17 MPH
(15 KT) gusting to 26 MPH (23 KT)
Visibility : 9 mile(s)
Sky conditions : overcast
Weather : Light snow; 2 inches of snow on ground
Precip. in last hour: A trace
Temperature : 24.1 F ( -4.4 C)
Windchill : 10 F (-12.0 C)
Dew Point : 21.0 F ( -6.1 C)
Relative Humidity : 87%


Lots of wind today... which kept the whaling crews home. The
fall bowhead whale migration is just about in full swing here,
and so far 5 whales have been taken.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ***@barrow.com
x
2003-10-16 15:00:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by duKe jaVieR
Post by Erik A. Mattila
Translation: "I am an idiot."
Yes, YOU are!
Pa'la cochinera!
And you said MY flame was lousy?
You toadlicking jackass.
--
x

"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
By the way, I'm petty and snide.
Continúe leyendo en narkive:
Loading...