Discussion:
About Hugo Chávez
(demasiado antiguo para responder)
r3°
2005-06-12 07:34:05 UTC
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The New York Times

LETTER FROM SOUTH AMERICA;
Opposition to U.S. Makes Chávez a Hero to Many

By JUAN FORERO (NYT) 1099 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 4 , Column 3

ABSTRACT - Venezuela Pres Hugo Chavez is emerging
as this generation's Fidel Castro, arousing roaring crowds
throughout Latin America with his denunciations of
United States and American imperialism; Chavez, like
Castro, is charismatic figure and self-styled revolutionary
who bearhugs his counterparts on state visits, inspires
populist left-wing movements and draws out fervent well
-wishers from Havana to Buenos Aires; has one great
advantage that Castro never had--richest oil reserves outside
Middle East, which is providing cash that he is using to
weave ever closer diplomatic and commercial ties with
Latin American leaders; photos (L)

Look in Archives
r3°
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Bobito
2005-06-12 07:46:34 UTC
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Chavez was elected, the old Pingero never was, and has never allowed
elections.
Post by r3°
LETTER FROM SOUTH AMERICA;
Opposition to U.S. Makes Chávez a Hero to Many
By JUAN FORERO (NYT) 1099 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 4 , Column 3
ABSTRACT - Venezuela Pres Hugo Chavez is emerging
as this generation's Fidel Castro, arousing roaring crowds
throughout Latin America with his denunciations of
United States and American imperialism; Chavez, like
Castro, is charismatic figure and self-styled revolutionary
who bearhugs his counterparts on state visits, inspires
populist left-wing movements and draws out fervent well
-wishers from Havana to Buenos Aires; has one great
advantage that Castro never had--richest oil reserves outside
Middle East, which is providing cash that he is using to
weave ever closer diplomatic and commercial ties with
Latin American leaders; photos (L)
Look in Archives
r3°
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
«El mayor enemigo de la verdad no es la mentira,
sino la convicción». (F. Nietzsche)
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 13:51:13 UTC
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That is very much true, Chávez has had a very good beginning. Obviously he
is excellent in winning elections.

He also has to his advantage lessons to apply from Castro's experiment in
Cuba. There were mistakes made that should be easy to avoid. Now that
Communism has disappeared (or fallen in ill repute) Hugo can just avoid
being called Communist, which he has cleverly done by calling his revolution
a Socialist Movement. Many Latinamerican countries may decide to produce
their own "Revolución Bolivariana" to fulfill their own needs and enjoy the
advantages of real independence and freedom.

T.Schmidt
P.S. It would not surprise me if Chávez ends up being Cuba's choice for next
president after Castro retires or dies..It certainly would be fun to see
Cuba's annexation to Venezuela as the next step.
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Post by Bobito
Chavez was elected, the old Pingero never was, and has never allowed
elections.
Post by r3°
LETTER FROM SOUTH AMERICA;
Opposition to U.S. Makes Chávez a Hero to Many
By JUAN FORERO (NYT) 1099 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 4 , Column 3
ABSTRACT - Venezuela Pres Hugo Chavez is emerging
as this generation's Fidel Castro, arousing roaring crowds
throughout Latin America with his denunciations of
United States and American imperialism; Chavez, like
Castro, is charismatic figure and self-styled revolutionary
who bearhugs his counterparts on state visits, inspires
populist left-wing movements and draws out fervent well
-wishers from Havana to Buenos Aires; has one great
advantage that Castro never had--richest oil reserves outside
Middle East, which is providing cash that he is using to
weave ever closer diplomatic and commercial ties with
Latin American leaders; photos (L)
Look in Archives
r3°
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
«El mayor enemigo de la verdad no es la mentira,
sino la convicción». (F. Nietzsche)
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
TORREBLANCA®
2005-06-12 14:10:23 UTC
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Post by T.Schmidt
That is very much true, Chávez has had a very good beginning. Obviously he
is excellent in winning elections.
Marta Colomina // Del asco a la náusea


CHAVEZ EXHIBE VARIEDAD de estilos para dar órdenes a sus subalternos
en su circo dominical con escasas suspensiones como aquella de bailar
el unicornio azul escenario donde los ministros y el alto mando militar

(así, con minúsculas), aplauden las escatologías, amenazas y
necrológicas de su comandante en jefe. Aunque el tema del magnicidio
es el link que cada domingo une su ataque al "Imperio" mientras regala
nuestra orimulsión o vende a precio de gallina flaca pedazos de Pdvsa,

en los últimos tiempos luce muy nervioso.


Sus huestes civiles son un saco de gatos que se arañan con furor a
causa del botín presupuestario y de las listas electorales, por eso
"olvidan" pagar a tiempo las misiones y construir las casas prometidas,

o de reducir el desempleo al 5% prometido con la farsa "Vuelvan Caras".



Le aterran las protestas de los trabajadores petroleros, de los que
aspiran a entrar en Pdvsa, de los damnificados y el canibalismo de los
"lanceros", quienes esperan los jugosos terrenos que confisca Otayza y
observan, machete en mano, que otros mejor armados se apoderan de
ellos. Ve que el soberano luce cada vez más mosqueado cuando, a
imitación del modisto Adolfo Domínguez que se volvió rico diciendo
que "la arruga es bella" , oye decir a Chávez que "la pobreza es
bella" y que "ser rico es malo", mientras el entorno presidencial
(civiles y militares) exhibe vehículos de lujo y casas esplendorosas
en el Este, donde viven los enemigos de la revolución. El pueblo
comienza a sospechar que la bonanza prometida por Chávez luce cada vez

más lejana, mientras siente su paciencia cada vez más escasa.


El encarte del PPT en Ultimas Noticias con fotografías de varios
diputados del MVR y el título "Manuitt es condenado por el
narcotráfico" enfureció a La Fosforito, Maduro, Tascón y otros
chavistas más, quienes amenazaron con castigar implacablemente las
truculencias y violaciones protagonizadas por el gobernador Manuitt y
contenidas en el informe de la Comisión de Política Interior (CPI).
Quienes más delitos anotaron y más víctimas atendieron fueron los
oficialistas. Pero bastó que el maromero mayor dijera en su circo
dominical que "le daban asco" las peleas entre partidos hermanos y
militantes revolucionarios, para que de la CPI desaparecieran las
franelas rojas y los votos chavistas. Ya se sabía que del "asco"
sagrado, saldría la bendición para el gran pecador. Tan pronto como
la CPI aprobó su informe, el presidente de la AN, receptor de la orden

envuelta en asco tan sagrado, anunció, sin pudor, que se nombraría
una nueva comisión para revisar el "informe Manuit" por considerarlo
"contaminado por el odio". Así que las lágrimas de las cientos de
víctimas y de sus familiares son consideradas por Nicolás Maduro como

"odio político".


Asco sentimos los venezolanos ante la obscenidad y los abusos ejercidos

desde un poder que disfruta con la violación de los derechos humanos,
que toma las propiedades públicas y privadas y las incorpora a su
patrimonio, que utiliza la justicia como un arma mortífera contra la
disidencia política y que brinda apoyo a grupos subversivos e
irregulares latinoamericanos. El video en el cual el gobernador Blanco
La Cruz reconoce la libre y permitida presencia de la guerrilla
colombiana porque "presiones de arriba" recibidas por los jefes
militares, les impiden combatirla, confirma el apoyo oficial al
terrorismo guerrillero, tantas veces negada por el gobierno: "el
general que está operando se refiere Blanco La Cruz al general
Carrizales Pinto que actuó militarmente en San Vicente de la Revancha
y sus alrededores lo llamarán por teléfono diciendo: si usted sigue
esas operaciones se tendrá que ir de aquí'. Y eso es lo que ocurre
hermano, una campaña de intimidación".


¿No es eso un claro apoyo al terrorismo guerrillero? ¿Se apersonará
Insulza con el capítulo de las resoluciones de la OEA referido al
terrorismo? ¿Y cómo creer en la inocencia de Chávez en los sucesos
de Bolivia, si el jueves mismo el diputado Morales reconoció que su
hermano Evo, el líder cocalero, se había reunido varias veces con él

en torno a la situación boliviana? ¿Cómo, sino con asco, puede verse

el soplido del fosil de La Habana, con el que anunciaba el
derrocamiento del gobierno de Mesa, mientras Chávez y Evo reían la
"gracia"?


Profunda náusea nos da ver "los riñones de Jorge Rodríguez" (Tal
Cual 9-06-05) cuando entregó a los partidos "una lista de 14 millones
de personas, sin ningún otro dato que acompañe sus nombres. Nada. Ni
dirección, ni ubicación y número de mesas de votación, ni sus
integrantes" con la excusa "de proteger los datos de los ciudadanos",
violando así la ley del sufragio. Por eso no quieren el monitoreo de
la OEA. Sin embargo, pronto tendrán en Venezuela abundantes dosis de
su propia medicina: el efecto bola de nieve de las tormentas que la
revolución chavista está provocando en el continente. La fórmula es
clara: calle y más calle. La única forma de hacer desaparecer el asco

y la náusea que nos ahoga.
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 18:38:39 UTC
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Don Quico

Vaya esfuerzo, escribir tantas tonterías a sabiendas que nadie te cree.
Cubano tenías que ser. ¿No te aburre de postear cosas inventadas? ¿Es que
te pagan?

T.Schmidt
P.S. La mejor propaganda de Chávez es lo que dicen los opositores.
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Post by T.Schmidt
That is very much true, Chávez has had a very good beginning. Obviously he
is excellent in winning elections.
Marta Colomina // Del asco a la náusea


CHAVEZ EXHIBE VARIEDAD de estilos para dar órdenes a sus subalternos
en su circo dominical con escasas suspensiones como aquella de bailar
el unicornio azul escenario donde los ministros y el alto mando militar

(así, con minúsculas), aplauden las escatologías, amenazas y
necrológicas de su comandante en jefe. Aunque el tema del magnicidio
es el link que cada domingo une su ataque al "Imperio" mientras regala
nuestra orimulsión o vende a precio de gallina flaca pedazos de Pdvsa,

en los últimos tiempos luce muy nervioso.


Sus huestes civiles son un saco de gatos que se arañan con furor a
causa del botín presupuestario y de las listas electorales, por eso
"olvidan" pagar a tiempo las misiones y construir las casas prometidas,

o de reducir el desempleo al 5% prometido con la farsa "Vuelvan Caras".



Le aterran las protestas de los trabajadores petroleros, de los que
aspiran a entrar en Pdvsa, de los damnificados y el canibalismo de los
"lanceros", quienes esperan los jugosos terrenos que confisca Otayza y
observan, machete en mano, que otros mejor armados se apoderan de
ellos. Ve que el soberano luce cada vez más mosqueado cuando, a
imitación del modisto Adolfo Domínguez que se volvió rico diciendo
que "la arruga es bella" , oye decir a Chávez que "la pobreza es
bella" y que "ser rico es malo", mientras el entorno presidencial
(civiles y militares) exhibe vehículos de lujo y casas esplendorosas
en el Este, donde viven los enemigos de la revolución. El pueblo
comienza a sospechar que la bonanza prometida por Chávez luce cada vez

más lejana, mientras siente su paciencia cada vez más escasa.


El encarte del PPT en Ultimas Noticias con fotografías de varios
diputados del MVR y el título "Manuitt es condenado por el
narcotráfico" enfureció a La Fosforito, Maduro, Tascón y otros
chavistas más, quienes amenazaron con castigar implacablemente las
truculencias y violaciones protagonizadas por el gobernador Manuitt y
contenidas en el informe de la Comisión de Política Interior (CPI).
Quienes más delitos anotaron y más víctimas atendieron fueron los
oficialistas. Pero bastó que el maromero mayor dijera en su circo
dominical que "le daban asco" las peleas entre partidos hermanos y
militantes revolucionarios, para que de la CPI desaparecieran las
franelas rojas y los votos chavistas. Ya se sabía que del "asco"
sagrado, saldría la bendición para el gran pecador. Tan pronto como
la CPI aprobó su informe, el presidente de la AN, receptor de la orden

envuelta en asco tan sagrado, anunció, sin pudor, que se nombraría
una nueva comisión para revisar el "informe Manuit" por considerarlo
"contaminado por el odio". Así que las lágrimas de las cientos de
víctimas y de sus familiares son consideradas por Nicolás Maduro como

"odio político".


Asco sentimos los venezolanos ante la obscenidad y los abusos ejercidos

desde un poder que disfruta con la violación de los derechos humanos,
que toma las propiedades públicas y privadas y las incorpora a su
patrimonio, que utiliza la justicia como un arma mortífera contra la
disidencia política y que brinda apoyo a grupos subversivos e
irregulares latinoamericanos. El video en el cual el gobernador Blanco
La Cruz reconoce la libre y permitida presencia de la guerrilla
colombiana porque "presiones de arriba" recibidas por los jefes
militares, les impiden combatirla, confirma el apoyo oficial al
terrorismo guerrillero, tantas veces negada por el gobierno: "el
general que está operando se refiere Blanco La Cruz al general
Carrizales Pinto que actuó militarmente en San Vicente de la Revancha
y sus alrededores lo llamarán por teléfono diciendo: si usted sigue
esas operaciones se tendrá que ir de aquí'. Y eso es lo que ocurre
hermano, una campaña de intimidación".


¿No es eso un claro apoyo al terrorismo guerrillero? ¿Se apersonará
Insulza con el capítulo de las resoluciones de la OEA referido al
terrorismo? ¿Y cómo creer en la inocencia de Chávez en los sucesos
de Bolivia, si el jueves mismo el diputado Morales reconoció que su
hermano Evo, el líder cocalero, se había reunido varias veces con él

en torno a la situación boliviana? ¿Cómo, sino con asco, puede verse

el soplido del fosil de La Habana, con el que anunciaba el
derrocamiento del gobierno de Mesa, mientras Chávez y Evo reían la
"gracia"?


Profunda náusea nos da ver "los riñones de Jorge Rodríguez" (Tal
Cual 9-06-05) cuando entregó a los partidos "una lista de 14 millones
de personas, sin ningún otro dato que acompañe sus nombres. Nada. Ni
dirección, ni ubicación y número de mesas de votación, ni sus
integrantes" con la excusa "de proteger los datos de los ciudadanos",
violando así la ley del sufragio. Por eso no quieren el monitoreo de
la OEA. Sin embargo, pronto tendrán en Venezuela abundantes dosis de
su propia medicina: el efecto bola de nieve de las tormentas que la
revolución chavista está provocando en el continente. La fórmula es
clara: calle y más calle. La única forma de hacer desaparecer el asco

y la náusea que nos ahoga.
TORREBLANCA®
2005-06-12 22:39:32 UTC
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la region mas fertil del pais donde naci y aun vivo hace 49 años la
republica dominicana, se llama el Valle del Cibao.
Alli, en un poblado llamado Bonao ubicó el "Generalisimo y Padre de la
Patria Nueva" Rafael Leonidas Trujillo y Molina a una colonia china
para que cultivaran la tierra y aprovisionaran de vegetales a "Ciudad
Trujillo". esa colonia, que aun existe, se mantuvo incolume por años,
impenetrable y poca gente tenia contacto con ellos tanto por costumbre
como por idioma. pocas noticias fluian desde y hacia la colonia. de ahi
surgio un dicho popular en santo domingo de vigencia actual incluso que
reza, " y eso lo saben hasta los chinos de bonao ", significando que
si hasta los chinos lo saben, gente que nunca sabe nada, es del
completo dominio publico.

michi, que yo soy dominicano de pura cepa lo saben hasta los chinos de
Bonao lo que demuestra que el que inventa y quizas el pagado eres tu.

esas "tonterias" a que te refieres arriba son por casualidad lo del
delirium tremen de chavez ? o quizas lo de bailar el unicornio azul ?
lo del reburú de PDVSA ? los damnificados y el canibalismo de los
"lanceros" ? que el entorno presidencial ande en vehiculos y casas de
lujo ?

recuerda que este no es el foro dominicano donde desconocen las
interioridades del cotidiano politico venezolano, quizas se den cuenta
quien "postea cosas inventadas".

chao, muchi, recuerda lo de tu prostata y el azucar.

PD. hay unos pampers de adulto que me dicen son un tiro. mi abuelo
octogenario esta feliz con ellos. consultalo.
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 23:57:48 UTC
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Don Quico

Esto es solo para venezolanos y amigos de Venezuela, enemigos de Venezuela
pueden entrar a su propio riesgo. El resto serán fusilados y los
sobrevivientes vueltos a fusilar.

T.Schmidt
P.S. Dominicano de verdad no eres, así que no no trates de engañar.
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"TORREBLANCA�" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
la region mas fertil del pais donde naci y aun vivo hace 49 años la
republica dominicana, se llama el Valle del Cibao.
Alli, en un poblado llamado Bonao ubicó el "Generalisimo y Padre de la
Patria Nueva" Rafael Leonidas Trujillo y Molina a una colonia china
para que cultivaran la tierra y aprovisionaran de vegetales a "Ciudad
Trujillo". esa colonia, que aun existe, se mantuvo incolume por años,
impenetrable y poca gente tenia contacto con ellos tanto por costumbre
como por idioma. pocas noticias fluian desde y hacia la colonia. de ahi
surgio un dicho popular en santo domingo de vigencia actual incluso que
reza, " y eso lo saben hasta los chinos de bonao ", significando que
si hasta los chinos lo saben, gente que nunca sabe nada, es del
completo dominio publico.

michi, que yo soy dominicano de pura cepa lo saben hasta los chinos de
Bonao lo que demuestra que el que inventa y quizas el pagado eres tu.

esas "tonterias" a que te refieres arriba son por casualidad lo del
delirium tremen de chavez ? o quizas lo de bailar el unicornio azul ?
lo del reburú de PDVSA ? los damnificados y el canibalismo de los
"lanceros" ? que el entorno presidencial ande en vehiculos y casas de
lujo ?

recuerda que este no es el foro dominicano donde desconocen las
interioridades del cotidiano politico venezolano, quizas se den cuenta
quien "postea cosas inventadas".

chao, muchi, recuerda lo de tu prostata y el azucar.

PD. hay unos pampers de adulto que me dicen son un tiro. mi abuelo
octogenario esta feliz con ellos. consultalo.
TORREBLANCA®
2005-06-13 01:36:07 UTC
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Post by T.Schmidt
Don Quico
Esto es solo para venezolanos y amigos de Venezuela, enemigos de Venezuela
pueden entrar a su propio riesgo. El resto serán fusilados y los
sobrevivientes vueltos a fusilar.
ya te dije que no mezclaras las pastillas para bajar el PSA de la
prostata con las pastillas de la presion, te hace daño y te pones a
hablar mas mierda.

como decia Don Vito Corleone michi , a los amigos hay que mantenerlos
cerca pero a los enemigos mucho mas cerca, asi que dejate los
chistecitos mojosos esos de septuagenarios bebiendo te en la bocha y
alardeando sobre el consumo del sildenafil.
Post by T.Schmidt
T.Schmidt
P.S. Dominicano de verdad no eres, así que no no trates de engañar.
serie palito, nacido en gazcue, criado en naco, domiciliado y residente
en el distrito nacional. ahora, que tanta vaina con lo de dominicano ?
no le pare montro !
Post by T.Schmidt
chao, muchi, recuerda lo de tu prostata y el azucar.
PD. hay unos pampers de adulto que me dicen son un tiro. mi abuelo
octogenario esta feliz con ellos. consultalo.
JFK
2005-06-12 18:29:29 UTC
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Not to mention that these countries have more national consumption
today as ever, which means having less crude oil for export and need
more oil derivatives and refined products as import to fill their needs
...

Needless to say that these countries are not efficient on using energy
and have next to none planning on having an alternative energy .... In
the case of Arabs (Those lazy ass Muslims being called to come to
prayer five times a day, now by use of the microphones and have become
Mecca-nized) their future is doomed in my humble opinion.
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 20:10:20 UTC
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Some Arab countries have so little population that they actually can live
from oil, but it will not last forever. The larger ones, for example Iran,
are very backward. Camels are the usual mean of transportation, streets are
sand paths, and so on. Only Iraq has enough water. Their problems are real
and big. On the ex-Soviet Union is not much better, some places have not
changed since Marco Polo.

Americans are very lucky that they have enjoyed the spoils of all the wars
in which they participated, but the end is also near.

The only future is in Canada, Latin America, Australia and maybe Africa.

T.Schmidt
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Post by JFK
Not to mention that these countries have more national consumption
today as ever, which means having less crude oil for export and need
more oil derivatives and refined products as import to fill their needs
...
Needless to say that these countries are not efficient on using energy
and have next to none planning on having an alternative energy .... In
the case of Arabs (Those lazy ass Muslims being called to come to
prayer five times a day, now by use of the microphones and have become
Mecca-nized) their future is doomed in my humble opinion.
JFK
2005-06-12 22:46:13 UTC
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Post by T.Schmidt
The only future is in Canada, Latin America, Australia and maybe Africa.
For me it be Margarita Island ...
The problem is that I be dead by the time they finish the project ...

http://www.viviun.com/AD-2543/
T.Schmidt
2005-06-13 00:11:36 UTC
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The prices will go down as rich people start leaving the Venezuela, save
your money and you may be able to buy two for the same price.

T.Schmidt
P.S. My posting had to do with overpopulation and availability of resources.
There are other factors to consider. For older people, changing countries is
suicidal.
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Post by JFK
Post by T.Schmidt
The only future is in Canada, Latin America, Australia and maybe Africa.
For me it be Margarita Island ...
The problem is that I be dead by the time they finish the project ...
http://www.viviun.com/AD-2543/
monix 3
2005-06-12 19:01:26 UTC
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From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)

That is very much true, Chávez has had a very good beginning.
Obviously he is excellent in winning elections.
===

__Hmmmm !!!
+++
He also has to his advantage lessons to apply from Castro's experiment
in Cuba.
===
__wrong, the communist never learner
====

There were mistakes made that should be easy to avoid. Now that
Communism has disappeared (or fallen in ill repute) Hugo can just avoid
being called Communist,
====
_If muve like a duck, and do it cua cua, its a duck by sure...
=====
which he has cleverly done by calling his revolution a Socialist
Movement.
=====
_Castro say the same...
=====
Many Latinamerican countries may decide to produce their own
"Revolución Bolivariana"
====
_-Why has to be Bolivariana ??? and forget it about the others
countries, think only in your country...
=====
to fulfill their own needs and enjoy the advantages of real independence
and freedom
Ha ha ha ha ...You are extremely innocent, you still belive in Santa
Closs ?

monix

T.Schmidt
P.S. It would not surprise me if Chávez ends up being Cuba's choice
for next president after Castro retires or dies..It certainly would be
fun to see Cuba's annexation to Venezuela as the next step.

Hahahahah !! He was not born in Cuba
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 20:43:52 UTC
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Where you were born is no problem. Hitler was not born in Germany,
Schwartzenegger in the USA and I was not born in Canada but will become
P.M.. Bush was born in Congo, it is a well guarded secret.

Besides, if as I said, Venezuela is annexed to Cuba (I was going to say Cuba
to Venezuela, but changing the countries order is much more effective) they
will be one country. Just as Bolivar wanted.

About Communism, I just read it is not dead. Shiiit! What shall we do? You
are even in worse shape, you may end up raped and shot.

T.Schmidt
P.S. [1] Maybe you are too young, but a 100 yrs ago we did pretty well
without electricity, cars or airplanes. The world changes pretty fast,
believe me!
P.S. [2] Santa Closs may be in the US, here we have the real one, Santa
Claus. You will get no presents this Christmas.
P.S. [3] Two years ago they were going to kill Chávez, they missed the
opportunity, now he will kill them.
P.S. [4] Do you know how many millionaires there are in the Planet? If we
kill all of them, the population of the Planet would not even show their
absense, there are just a few million millionaires. All their money would
feed just a few {it amounts to trillions of dollars, that is all)..
==========================
"monix 3" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:9958-42AC8686-***@storefull-3355.bay.webtv.net...
From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)

That is very much true, Chávez has had a very good beginning.
Obviously he is excellent in winning elections.
===

__Hmmmm !!!
+++
He also has to his advantage lessons to apply from Castro's experiment
in Cuba.
===
__wrong, the communist never learner
====

There were mistakes made that should be easy to avoid. Now that
Communism has disappeared (or fallen in ill repute) Hugo can just avoid
being called Communist,
====
_If muve like a duck, and do it cua cua, its a duck by sure...
=====
which he has cleverly done by calling his revolution a Socialist
Movement.
=====
_Castro say the same...
=====
Many Latinamerican countries may decide to produce their own
"Revolución Bolivariana"
====
_-Why has to be Bolivariana ??? and forget it about the others
countries, think only in your country...
=====
to fulfill their own needs and enjoy the advantages of real independence
and freedom
Ha ha ha ha ...You are extremely innocent, you still belive in Santa
Closs ?

monix

T.Schmidt
P.S. It would not surprise me if Chávez ends up being Cuba's choice
for next president after Castro retires or dies..It certainly would be
fun to see Cuba's annexation to Venezuela as the next step.

Hahahahah !! He was not born in Cuba
monix 3
2005-06-12 20:26:05 UTC
Permalink
Listen TSchmidt, to whom do yu want to conviencen it? If your public is
at central-america and south-america, why are you speaking in
English...better do it in Spanish or Quechua would be much better...You
don't thinkg so?

Monix
===============

From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)
Where you were born is no problem. Hitler was not born in Germany,
Schwartzenegger in the USA and I was not born in Canada but will become
P.M.. Bush was born in Congo, it is a well guarded secret.
Besides, if as I said, Venezuela is annexed to Cuba (I was going to say
Cuba to Venezuela, but changing the countries order is much more
effective) they will be one country. Just as Bolivar wanted.
About Communism, I just read it is not dead. Shiiit! What shall we do?
You are even in worse shape, you may end up raped and shot.
T.Schmidt
P.S. [1] Maybe you are too young, but a 100
T.Schmidt
2005-06-13 00:06:21 UTC
Permalink
I don't want to convince anyone. On the contrary, sometimes I say the
opposite of what I believe. What I really do is to bring the subject to
discussion.

I am for freedom of expression, therefore to me it is not the subject that
matters. I write for mature people who can make their own conclussions. I
write for anyone who can readme, that limits me to English and Spanish. You
will have to teach me Quechua (assuming you know it).

T.Schmidt
-----------------------------------

"monix 3" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:9958-42AC9A5D-***@storefull-3355.bay.webtv.net...

Listen TSchmidt, to whom do yu want to conviencen it? If your public is
at central-america and south-america, why are you speaking in
English...better do it in Spanish or Quechua would be much better...You
don't thinkg so?

Monix
===============

From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)
Where you were born is no problem. Hitler was not born in Germany,
Schwartzenegger in the USA and I was not born in Canada but will become
P.M.. Bush was born in Congo, it is a well guarded secret.
Besides, if as I said, Venezuela is annexed to Cuba (I was going to say
Cuba to Venezuela, but changing the countries order is much more
effective) they will be one country. Just as Bolivar wanted.
About Communism, I just read it is not dead. Shiiit! What shall we do?
You are even in worse shape, you may end up raped and shot.
T.Schmidt
P.S. [1] Maybe you are too young, but a 100
monix 3
2005-06-13 05:05:25 UTC
Permalink
Re: About Hugo Chávez

Group: soc.culture.venezuela Date: Sun, Jun 12, 2005, 5:06pm (EDT-3)
From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)

I don't want to convince anyone. On the contrary, sometimes I say the
opposite of what I believe. What I really do is to bring the subject to
discussion.
======
_That's not truth Teddy, and you know it...
Then why do you think that Chavez is the only one who can hold and save
Venezuela..?.Believe me, the country holds togeeher by itself withuot
corruption that is the problem with our countries, the corruption...
There are a few point, in politics, on which I might think it es
believable...the politic es something very dirty, foul ...
========
I am for freedom of expression, therefore to me it is not the subject
that matters. I write for mature people who can make their own
conclussions. I write for anyone who can readme, that limits me to
English and Spanish.
=====
--Ok, but it don't sounds really coheret,
You know the people that follow de left, is another quality of
peoples...I mean. no better not worse, just different.
=====
You will have to teach me Quechua (assuming you know it).
=====
Not much, only what I know about Quechua is that they are indian and
quechua name is one of the tribe.

Monix

T.Schmidt
-----------------------------------
"monix 3" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:9958-42AC9A5D-***@storefull-3355.bay.webtv.net...
Listen TSchmidt, to whom do yu want to conviencen it? If your public is
at central-america and south-america, why are you speaking in
English...better do it in Spanish or Quechua would be much better...You
don't thinkg so?
Monix
===============
From: ***@sprint.ca (T.Schmidt)
Where you were born is no problem. Hitler was not born in Germany,
Schwartzenegger in the USA and I was not born in Canada but will become
P.M.. Bush was born in Congo, it is a well guarded secret. Besides, if
as I said, Venezuela is annexed to Cuba (I was going to say Cuba to
Venezuela, but changing the countries order is much more effective) they
will be one country. Just as Bolivar wanted. About Communism, I just
read it is not dead. Shiiit! What shall we do? You are even in worse
shape, you may end up raped and shot. T.Schmidt
P.S. [1] Maybe you are too young, but a 100
r3°
2005-06-13 00:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Monita:

Para empezar, aprende inglés, porque lo
que escribes ni siquiera llega a categoría
de dialecto. Harías menos el ridículo si
postearas en español, toma ésto como un
consejo sano.

"monix 3" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:9958-42AC9A5D-***@storefull-3355.bay.webtv.net...

Listen TSchmidt, to whom do yu want to conviencen it? If your public is
at central-america and south-america, why are you speaking in
English...better do it in Spanish or Quechua would be much better...You
don't thinkg so?

Monix
===============
monix 3
2005-06-13 02:56:48 UTC
Permalink
Re: About Hugo Chávez

Group: soc.culture.venezuela Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 10:38am (EDT+14)
From: ***@Bella.net (r3°)
Monita:
Para empezar, aprende inglés, porque lo
que escribes ni siquiera llega a categoría de dialecto. Harías menos
el ridículo si postearas en español, toma ésto como un
consejo sano
===============
OH Thats nonsense caramelito! Now I'll tell you something that'll
convince you, When I speak English or Spanish I make in purpose to find
out how much popularity I am...Of course I am , I don't suffer from
delusions of grandeur, but neither am I troubled by an inferioruty
complex, I"m not saying that my English is perfectly, like my Spanish,
but not always have been so bad....ha ha ha !!! I don't know what I can
do with myself...I think what I am needing is a fiancé :) I am not a
failure... my problem is that I love Bush somuch..and I hate so much
Chavez...

The next president of Venezuela will be a woman.. I must admit that, in
my opinion
women can be good gobermment leaders. good heads of state.
Oh Lord, maybe she would have functiened just as well or better if she'd
been a man... you don't think so? Tell me ginius, would you like a woman
president? I don' know but I think a women es better, possess a capacity
that help in doing this job...maybe not the women, but us...

I know you hate us, we don't care if you are communist, I'm sorry for
you , but you right to do that if you like... I respet your idea...
I think women are more practical, more realistic. They don't dissipate
themselves in mystifications like men. who always beat around the bush
trying to get to the heart of the matter.
Tell me Richard, do you like yourself...?? because I know myself too
well to like myself...I know all too well that i'm not what I'd like to
be, but I can't complain.

All my problems is about English but I suppose I don't go on with this
madness forever...If you only knew how many times I say to mayself: To
hell with everything and with my English...but what can I tell you...I
hate English you know why? because I am not me...
Good night candy.

Monix

PS: sorry about my English and thanks for your advise about that.
monix 3
2005-06-13 02:56:26 UTC
Permalink
Re: About Hugo Chávez

Group: soc.culture.venezuela Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 10:38am (EDT+14)
From: ***@Bella.net (r3°)
Monita:
Para empezar, aprende inglés, porque lo
que escribes ni siquiera llega a categoría de dialecto. Harías menos
el ridículo si postearas en español, toma ésto como un
consejo sano
===============
OH Thats nonsense caramelito! Now I'll tell you something that'll
convince you, When I speak English or Spanish I make in purpose to find
out how much popularity I am...Of course I am , I don't suffer from
delusions of grandeur, but neither am I troubled by an inferioruty
complex, I"m not saying that my English is perfectly, like my Spanish,
but not always have been so bad....ha ha ha !!! I don't know what I can
do with myself...I think what I am needing is a fiancé :) I am not a
failure... my problem is that I love Bush somuch..and I hate so much
Chavez...

The next president of Venezuela will be a woman.. I must admit that, in
my opinion
women can be good gobermment leaders. good heads of state.
Oh Lord, maybe she would have functiened just as well or better if she'd
been a man... you don't think so? Tell me ginius, would you like a woman
president? I don' know but I think a women es better, possess a capacity
that help in doing this job...maybe not the women, but us...

I know you hate us, we don't care if you are communist, I'm sorry for
you , but you right to do that if you like... I respet your idea...
I think women are more practical, more realistic. They don't dissipate
themselves in mystifications like men. who always beat around the bush
trying to get to the heart of the matter.
Tell me Richard, do you like yourself...?? because I know myself too
well to like myself...I know all too well that i'm not what I'd like to
be, but I can't complain.

All my problems is about English but I suppose I don't go on with this
madness forever...If you only knew how many times I say to mayself: To
hell with everything and with my English...but what can I tell you...I
hate English you know why? because I am not me...
Good night candy.

Monix

PS: sorry about my English and thanks for your advise about that.
Diana A
2005-06-13 13:55:55 UTC
Permalink
Re: About Hugo Chávez

Group: soc.culture.venezuela Date: Sun, Jun 12, 2005, 10:56pm From:
***@webtv.net (monix 3)
Re: About Hugo Chávez
Group: soc.culture.venezuela Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 10:38am (EDT+14)
From: ***@Bella.net (r3°)
Monita:
Para empezar, aprende inglés, porque lo
que escribes ni siquiera llega a categoría de dialecto. Harías menos
el ridículo si postearas en español, toma ésto como un consejo
sano
===============
OH Thats nonsense caramelito! Now I'll tell you something that'll
convince you, When I speak English or Spanish I make in purpose to find
out how much popularity I am...Of course I am , I don't suffer from
delusions of grandeur, but neither am I troubled by an inferioruty
complex, I"m not saying that my English is perfectly, like my Spanish,
but not always have been so bad....ha ha ha !!! I don't know what I can
do with myself...I think what I am needing is a fiancé :) I am not a
failure... my problem is that I love Bush somuch..and I hate so much
Chavez...
The next president of Venezuela will be a woman.. I must admit that, in
my opinion
women can be good gobermment leaders. good heads of state. Oh Lord,
maybe she would have functiened just as well or better if she'd been a
man... you don't think so? Tell me ginius, would you like a woman
president? I don' know but I think a women es better, possess a capacity
that help in doing this job...maybe not the women, but us...
I know you hate us, we don't care if you are communist, I'm sorry for
you , but you right to do that if you like... I respet your idea... I
think women are more practical, more realistic. They don't dissipate
themselves in mystifications like men. who always beat around the bush
trying to get to the heart of the matter.
Tell me Richard, do you like yourself...?? because I know myself too
well to like myself...I know all too well that i'm not what I'd like to
be, but I can't complain.
All my problems is about English but I suppose I don't go on with this
madness forever...If you only knew how many times I say to mayself: To
hell with everything and with my English...but what can I tell you...I
hate English you know why? because I am not me... Good night candy.
Monix
PS: sorry about my English and thanks for your advise about that.
**************
Hi hi hi...What's going on here ? I think he is horny devil about
Chavez...:)
Pero fué buena idea para medir "niveles"
Teddy leyó lo mismo y no dijo ni pio..
ahi vez la calidad de uno y de otro,..
This a little flea, representa bien a los zurdos, Teddy es de otra
categoria y en estos detalles sale a relucir el nivel de una persona...
From now on don't you worry about him. es un fanatico de Chavez y no
sabe dialogar como persona educada...Te dije, da justo la imagen...

Diana

JFK
2005-06-12 17:17:02 UTC
Permalink
Oil reserves means nothing .... The oil contracts are presold for the
long term in the market and in many cases third parties are making more
money these days than suppliers like Venezuela, Iran and else ...
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 18:46:25 UTC
Permalink
Very few countries can live from the oil they produce, only those directly
involved in the business. It has always been so. Actually, it applies to all
mining operations, no country has become developed from mining alone.

"Underdevelopment comes from underdeveloped minds. " - [Humberto Fenrnández
Morán, maracucho]

T.Schmidt
P.S. The real prize of oil is US $ 80/ bbl or more. Just greedy people don't
care to sell it for US $ 50/bbl only
-------------------------------------------------------
Post by JFK
Oil reserves means nothing .... The oil contracts are presold for the
long term in the market and in many cases third parties are making more
money these days than suppliers like Venezuela, Iran and else ...
Bobito
2005-06-12 19:20:05 UTC
Permalink
and if Venezuela is following the kASStro model, 50 % will be skimmed off
before it reaches the Government by employees and politicians, in Cubas
case... the military, who run over 50 % of the economy
Post by JFK
Oil reserves means nothing .... The oil contracts are presold for the
long term in the market and in many cases third parties are making more
money these days than suppliers like Venezuela, Iran and else ...
T.Schmidt
2005-06-12 20:45:30 UTC
Permalink
That is what was being done when I left the country and it was called a
democracy then.

T.Schmidt
--------------------------------------
Post by Bobito
and if Venezuela is following the kASStro model, 50 % will be skimmed off
before it reaches the Government by employees and politicians, in Cubas
case... the military, who run over 50 % of the economy
Post by JFK
Oil reserves means nothing .... The oil contracts are presold for the
long term in the market and in many cases third parties are making more
money these days than suppliers like Venezuela, Iran and else ...
monix 3
2005-06-12 18:15:28 UTC
Permalink
Oh! come on r3°, ésto no te lo cres ni vos ja ja ja ja !!!!
Te pasas el año corta y pega y ahora no pones el original jajajaja..
si lo tuvieras lo habrias puesto je je ... Sabes las proclamas que yo
podria ponerte si las necesitaramos ???
Miente, miente, que siempre algo queda aunque sea verguenza agena...
Y los zurdos viven de eso , de mentiras...

Pero está bien, te dejamos seguir mintiendo total para el caso que te
hacen.
Feiz Domingo caramelito

Monix

"Quien adquiere el conocimiento pero no lo practica, es como el que ara
pero no siembra "

Saadi


======================

From: ***@Bella.net (r3°)
The New York Times
LETTER FROM SOUTH AMERICA;
Opposition to U.S. Makes Chávez a Hero to Many
By JUAN FORERO (NYT) 1099 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 4 , Column 3
ABSTRACT - Venezuela Pres Hugo Chavez is emerging as this generation's
Fidel Castro, arousing roaring crowds throughout Latin America with his
denunciations of United States and American imperialism; Chavez, like
Castro, is charismatic figure and self-styled revolutionary who bearhugs
his counterparts on state visits, inspires populist left-wing movements
and draws out fervent well -wishers from Havana to Buenos Aires; has one
great advantage that Castro never had--richest oil reserves outside
Middle East, which is providing cash that he is using to weave ever
closer diplomatic and commercial ties with Latin American leaders;
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