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The PHILOSOPHER is missing in present democracy
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-20 20:26:18 UTC
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And that means the rich have taken over the democracy. Yes, many people go and vote --usually the elderly-- and the elections are a big spectacle, but, besides missing the direct input from direct democracy, the figure of the philosopher is missing in present democracy. In other words there's no democracy.

Have anyone out there tell you the name of a philosopher. Then ask who Donald Trump is. See what I mean? Please, don't name me. My last name is "most humble philosopher."

Here's a philosopher of great wisdom:

We live happiest when we are free from the pains of life, and a virtuous life is the best way to obtain this goal. This is, in a nutshell, the view of the Samian philosopher Epicurus (342-271). In his opinion, we are unable to understand the gods, who may or may not have created this world but are in any case not really interested in mankind. Nor do we know life after death - if there is an existence at all after our bodies have decomposed. Therefore, we must not speculate about gods and afterlife. In Antiquity, Epicurism was the most popular of all philosophical schools, a popularity which it partially owed to the fact that its founder had explained his thoughts in several maxims, which even the illiterate could remember. Predictably, Christian philosophers attacked Epicurus' ideas about the afterlife and divine providence.

http://www.livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/philosophers.html

I like how Epicurus reached the illiterate with maxims and rhymes. I have the following question for the masses: IS YOUR COMMUNITY HAPPY OR CRAPPY?

People love this question and usually say "crappy." I think while Epicurus was the "philosopher of the garden" I am the "philosopher of the community." You need a community to be happy, a green, clean community, not a gated community. See what I mean, philosophy can make our lives better.


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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-21 16:54:03 UTC
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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
And that means the rich have taken over the democracy. Yes, many
people go and vote --usually the elderly-- and the elections are
a big spectacle, but, besides missing the direct input from
direct democracy, the figure of the philosopher is missing in
present democracy. In other words there's no democracy.
YOU could also be rich, IF you didn't waste your time either
masturbating and/or peddling around on your bike.
No philosopher wants to be rich. His views would be compromised.

Pedaling my bike is a way to complement the Greek ideal: "Mens sana in corpore sano"...

Person in SUV should not even be allowed to vote.
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-21 19:20:20 UTC
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I'm a philosopher.
I only speak on subjects I know.
Otherwise, I wouldn't a philosopher.
No, no, no, that's not the job of the philosopher. You must make "educated guesses" at the nature of things. For example, you may say "It's idiotic that god made a universe so large just to house us." You don't know how large the universe is, but you trust the scientists, and not the believers. You may find yourself alone in the crowd, but nobody can beat your arguments.

How about if god is an idiot that made the universe so large? You must be prepared to answer that one.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-22 02:53:19 UTC
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I think this is a great way to change the world... "monkeying around."

I launch a crazy idea that actually makes sense:

"Why doesn't Russia join the EU and they kick out America?"

Then a lady posts this most insidious comment:

"I understand the Monkey part...but not the Wise Tibetan?"

And I finally reply:

"WARNING: There are other 'tibetan monkeys' around --impostors you may call them-- but none 'wise.' A simple search will show that there's only one 'wise tibetanmonkey... most humble philosopher.' Nevertheless I don't deny my monkey heritage. I like to 'monkey around' with ideas."

I think all philosophers like to monkey around with ideas.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-22 05:15:27 UTC
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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
"WARNING: There are other 'tibetan monkeys' around --impostors you may call them-- but none 'wise.' A simple search will show that there's only one 'wise tibetanmonkey... most humble philosopher.' Nevertheless I don't deny my monkey heritage. I like to 'monkey around' with ideas."
I think all philosophers like to monkey around with ideas.
but they don't sell books if they look like they're monkeys, they have
to go undercover which is like putting a monkey in a straight jacket.
author-ities on subjects have to adopt a certain tone and language that
comes off god-like.. which is ironically quite a primitive form of
communication. the less "is" is said and the more "maybe" and "i don't
know" is said the the higher the intelligence tends to be. but readers
are suckers, and they are lazy. they want someone to teach them right
from wrong without having to go through the messy business of thinking.
Socrates said something to the effect that the most humble is the wisest. His critical thoughts on society earned him a death sentence. People who make money through writing books, usually take a non-confrontational approach: They say whatever people want to hear.

I have thought this is a good solution to the dilemma: THE WISE MAN TRUSTS THOSE WHO REALLY KNOW, AND THEN INTERPRETS THOSE FACTS IN SOME INTERESTING WAYS. For example, I trust the scientists who tell us about CLIMATE CHANGE, but they are dry in style and would convince no one. The philosopher must be creative, unconventional, eccentric. There's a scientist famous for having all those qualities: Albert Einstein.

This is a well-argued debate about Socrates' wisdom:

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090218043326AAs4jfQ
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-22 17:54:13 UTC
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Well, let's get down to the business of changing the world. If the philosopher gets people to think, then his job is done. He won't have the power to make things happen, but he may plant an idea in the mind of people who can really change the world. We all want to change the world, right?
Wise TibetanMonkey,
Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
"Why doesn't Russia join the EU and they kick out
America?"
Friendly relations between the EU and Russia would
mean end of American hegemony, that is why the US will
use all possible destructive means to prevent that.
True, I wonder if Putin is smart enough, bold enough, to apply for EU membership. Let's remember, Moscow is in Europe, Washington is not. Moscow and the EU benefit from natural gas.

Russia reigns in chess players --or used to-- I hope someone makes the smart move. The EU would be in a tight spot.

NATO is an obsolete treaty carried over from the cold war era. Not necessary if Russia is in the union. Which country has sought control over other nations? Russia has a clean record in the last 25 years, America does not.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-22 21:25:00 UTC
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Post by Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Hey, listen to this: I'm saying the philosopher is missing in present society and in its absence the rich kidnap the process. In other words, only the philosopher can guide democracy without the risk of become a "plutocracy."
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In the USA, the rich(powerful interest groups) has kidnapped democracy...NOT because the philosophy is missing in the USA...but because of a fatal flaw in democracy itself.
Using money, the rich has the all the policians (both democrat and Republican) in their pockets...it is so bad and so smelly that NO voices (of philosophy or poor morally upright politicians) can be heard...because the media is under the total control of the rich.
Now, in the USA you need MONEY to stand for and to win election ..people like Obama had to sell their soul to the rich in exchange for campaign funds from the super rich.
In this environment, a philosopher has NO VOICE, NO MEANS...to spread his message to the people...What can he do ? NOTHING.
How about the Internet? That's the only democratic system we got, and if we know how to use it, it can have an effect. You don't know how deep is the effect but you may have an effect. You may also hand out fliers, and this flier is one of a kind:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nffbCR_uCZ6znjf3gLiFRXSAoLzhWtoZ6U4S7Y37aKc/edit?usp=sharing,

It does have a strong effect on people as if they see the light for the first time. I know it's a drop, but those fliers are passed around rather than wasted. A BANANA REVOLUTION loaded with humor and spicy content is a killer combination. And the power of the finger should not be underestimated.

Anyway, that's the best I can do as monkey philosopher. Yes, anyone is invited to make a copy of it. Notice, it all fits on one single sheet of paper. What the heck, I'm having fun.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-23 03:13:21 UTC
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society in USA is based on Race .
I'd say it's about race and income. Now the black can live alongside the rich if they got money. Think of all those great black athletes. Well, race pretty much determines your income.
so thee is no social justice in USA .
Well, we have "social security" here. The old are pretty much taken care of, perhaps because they are ones that elect the politicians. They don't need the poor or the young. Obama had empowered other minorities but nothing has improved on the ground.

I see enormous CORRUPTION now in the form of "beautification" through a process that I call "Construction, Destruction, Corruption." Before Obama you wouldn't see that because all the resources went into wars and "nation building" in other nations. Capitalism is always looking for ways to waste money and make money.
so why do you need Philosopher in USA ?
We need the philosopher more than the industrialist precisely because the industrialist only cares about money. If the people are not taught different ways of thinking, we are lost in the jungle.

The philosopher would say "Hey, we need quality of life. We need clean green communities instead of gated communities. We need people to be riding more bikes and walking more. We need cafes and plazas where people get together."

But don't take it from a humble philosopher. Check this out:

http://bigthink.com/videos/we-need-thinking
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-23 04:04:50 UTC
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“In contrast to the situation in 1945, the world does not need the US; it is the US that needs the rest of the world”
― Slavoj Žižek
ANOTHER URGENT MESSAGE:

“There is an old joke about socialism as the synthesis of the highest achievements of the whole human history to date: from prehistoric societies it took primitivism; from the Ancient world it took slavery; from medieval society brutal domination; from capitalism exploitation; and from socialism the name..”
― Slavoj Žižek

Obviously we need the philosopher because when the philosopher says it, we pay attention.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-23 14:59:29 UTC
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If Epicurus had an SUV what would he do with it?
No, no, no, the philosopher would never have an SUV. He wouldn't be a philosopher. The philosopher would never be arrogant. That's like asking if Jesus would drive an SUV.
Say that his friends and mother put their resources and bought him a brand new grand spankin' SUV and brought it over to his house. He didn't want an SUV, but out of respect and out of feeling a little intimidation he kept it. So now he had to do something with it, so what would he do with it now?
He would surely sell it in order to finance his preaching life. The SUV would isolate him from the people he is trying to convert. He would ride a bike.

By the way, what's the difference between Jesus and the philosophers? Take into account that they are both humble. God is arrogant but Jesus is humble.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-25 20:44:22 UTC
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Wise TibetanMonkey,
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:21:40 PM UTC-4, Wise
And there may be an ingredient or racism, not unlike
that of Hitler.
"Russian speakers want to join with Russia let them. I
don't know why the west behaves erratically. Obviously
americans are racist when it comes to russians."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/
To hate Russia(ns) is actually a part of 'identity'.
This includes ethnic hatred as well, direct or veiled.
Many rationalizations were elaborated to support it.
Notorious Russian 'authoritarianism' is nothing but a
form of civil mobilization, sort of defence mechanism
in front of this animosity.
I think people associate the Russians with "Mongol hordes" and the America with progress. I haven't been to Russia but here in America the situation is depressing. And no hope either.

I have not heard this sharp observation before, but the evidence is everywhere. You know what happened in America the fall of the USSR? Things got much worse. In the 80's there was a philosophy of frugality --even under Reagan. Car companies had to stick to a certain high mileage. Then our clever manipulators thought that if they created and fomented (advertisement) trucks (which they cleverly marketed as the SUV) they wouldn't have to meet those standards and would make huge profits on it. Then the issue of "gated communities." They were rare in the 80's. Reagan called on the USSR to bring down those walls (East Berlin) but from the 90's it became something a trend, separating the affluent from the mundane masses. So we asked the USSR to bring down those walls and we erected them everywhere.

Having no competition, America went on a rampage invading countries, even lying quite openly without remorse or punishment. And then there's the issue of CORRUPTION. It became a bigger issue under Obama under the disguise of "road repair and beautification," as far I see it. I was happier when Bush spent big money in "nation building" abroad. At least I wouldn't see it.

I understand that Russia may be doing some of those mistakes, perhaps bigger, but they don't go around the world preaching. Communism is a lie, democracy too --unless the leadership and the people work together.
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What city, state is this, wise tibetan monkey?
It looks terrible.
OK, this is Miami Beach, home of many tribes, especially the Jews.

You may assume that they are smart, but an abandoned remodeling of the streets shows they are not smarter than other tribes.

Now look at this, which is a good way to show that democracy is for idiots. Hundreds of people go across this blue carpet every day and nobody sees the danger in it and the inconvenience of it. It's been sitting there for many years (this replaces an older one) instead of cementing the short distance that would connect the path on the background with the park.

The park itself is crappy, populated by the homeless and sexual predators. And a large staff doing nothing, but cruise around on their noisy 4x4's open little vehicles. They even squeeze an SUV in there, maybe more. And they sit in air conditioning SUVs. You know what they did last Sunday? They closed the bathroom at 6:20 pm, way before sunset, and left hundreds of people without a bathroom. They do that all the time. Do people in this land of the free care about it? I would call this the land of the indifferent. There was a homeless there that told me the police kicked him out of Jewish town, and told him to go to the park.

Without ado the blue magic carpet:

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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2014-03-25 21:26:55 UTC
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Wise TibetanMonkey,
"Russian speakers want to join with Russia let them. I
don't know why the west behaves erratically. Obviously
americans are racist when it comes to russians."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/
To hate Russia(ns) is actually a part of 'identity'.
This includes ethnic hatred as well, direct or veiled.
Many rationalizations were elaborated to support it.
Notorious Russian 'authoritarianism' is nothing but a
form of civil mobilization, sort of defence mechanism
in front of this animosity.
I think people associate the Russians with "Mongol hordes" and America with progress. I haven't been to Russia but here in America the situation is depressing. And no hope either.

I have not heard this sharp observation before, but the evidence is everywhere. You know what happened in America after the fall of the USSR? Things got much worse. In the 80's there was a philosophy of frugality --even under Reagan. Car companies had to stick to a certain high mileage. Then our clever manipulators thought that if they created and fomented (advertisement) trucks (which they cleverly marketed as the SUV) they wouldn't have to meet those standards and would make huge profits on it. Then the issue of "gated communities." They were rare in the 80's. Reagan called on the USSR to bring down those walls (East Berlin) but from the 90's it became something of a trend in America, separating the affluent from the mundane masses. So we asked the USSR to bring down those walls and we erected them everywhere.

Having no competition, America went on a rampage invading countries, even lying quite openly without remorse or punishment. And then there's the issue of CORRUPTION. It became a bigger issue under Obama under the disguise of "road repair and beautification," as far I see it. I was happier when Bush spent big money in "nation building" abroad. At least I wouldn't see it.

I understand that Russia may be doing some of those mistakes, perhaps bigger, but they don't go around the world preaching. Communism is a lie, democracy too --unless the leadership and the people work together.
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